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I translated the N.O.M. interview. Nothing groundbreaking but some interesting bits here and there:
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Confusingly, the Nindori interview on the Mario & Zelda Big Band Live DVD says about Kenta Nagata: Quote:
EDIT: So based on the interview, we have some more composer credits: Outright confirmed: Koji Kondo - 1.03 Hajime Wakai - 1.72, 2.04 Strongly inferred: Hajime Wakai - 1.13 Inferred: Kenta Nagata - 1.04, 1.05, 1.28, 1.56, 1.57 1.03's confirmed credit further corroborates Mentalo's research. Last edited by zierts; May 26, 2021 at 02:56 AM. |
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Thanks to the recent release of The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword Original Soundtrack, we have some news about 2 Wind Waker composition credits!
First, the most direct one: Beedle's Airshop from SS, a direct port of Beedle's Shop from TWW (track 1.08), is officially credited to Kenta Nagata in SS's OST. This theme's first half was brand new to TWW but the later half is an arrangement of the shop theme from OoT so Nagata referenced some Kondo work here. Secondly, a little bit more tricky one: The Legend of Zelda Concert 2018 had a Boss Battle Music Medley with composition credits for Toru Minegishi, Hajime Wakai, Shiho Fujii and Mahito Yokota. It is a medley of : - Boss Battle from Majora's Mask, composed by Minegishi* - Mini-Boss from The Wind Waker (track 1.40) - Boss Battle #1 (Second Half) from Twilight Princess, composed by Minegishi** - Battle with Ghirahim 2 from Skyward Sword, composed by Fujii* - Battle with Moldarach/Koloktos from Skyward Sword, composed by Yokota* * = officially confirmed via soundtracks. ** = Minegishi is the only one here who can be the composer since Yokota only did one trailer song from TP and the others composers credited had no involvement with TP. There's only one song left for Wakai to have worked on, which is Mini-Boss from WW. So he at least composed some part of this song. I'm saying "some part" because technically, Minegishi could also have participated to some degree in this song but I highly doubt it. With all the info we have (Wakai having composed multiple battle themes for WW, the style of this song matching with Wakai's style and now this), I think we can safely assume this was fully composed by Wakai. So I'm adding both credits to the album. |
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Of course your theory is very likely to be correct, but it's just not really an official composition credit and speculations should remain in the discussions, and not in an album's notes unless it's 100% sourced and verified information. This is kind of similar to the Falcom leaks, where the info is extremely likely to be accurate but is just simply not official. EDIT: Thought that the Beedle credit was not a good idea either because i thought it was rearranged, but it's literally identical so it should be fine.
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Well, we have:
- the above-translated N.O.M. interview in which Wakai was revealed to be in charge of the battles, talking about the dynamic elements he had implemented (which are also included in 1-40 "Mini-Boss") - only Wakai and Minegishi remain by elimination as possible composers for the "Boss Battle Theme Medley 2018", and Minegishi is commonly believed to have composed for Wind Waker's cutscenes based on this interview - the fact that, so far, we know of no compositions in Wind Waker on which several composers collaborated (and that there are maybe two dozen such collaborations over the hundreds of compositions for the series since 1986) To me, this feels like a 95 % chance that 1-40 was done by Wakai alone and maybe a 5 % chance he collaborated on it with Minegishi. Whether that's enough to list the credit is for someone else to judge, though. |
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There are some credits offered on https://music.rozen.audio/album/ballads-of-hyrule-ii / https://vgmdb.net/album/116410 although several of them are problematic.
1. The Breath of the Wild OST specifically says Fi's Theme was composed by Takeshi Hama. The Skyward Sword OST also says "music by" Takeshi Hama. This contradicts both by saying it was composed by Hajime Wakai. Do we still think Koji Kondo had no role in the Wind Waker tracks mentioned here? Last edited by yindesu; Dec 13, 2021 at 05:01 PM. |
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The first half of "Outset Island" is an arrangement of "Aryll's Theme", confirmed to be Nagata anyway, and the second half is a heavily arranged "Kokiri Forest" from Ocarina of Time. "Windfall Island" is arranged from A Link to the Past's/Ocarina of Time's "Kakariko Village". So that'd check out with Nagata's comment about trying to include music from Ocarina of Time. |
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Credits from a fan arrange album are hardly credible.
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Not even hardly, they shouldn't even come into the matter whatsoever
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In Wind Waker's files, there are several instrument banks that are credited with the initials of the composers' names; some are for specific locations in the game, while others are multi-purpose banks with commonly used orchestral instruments. So all tracks that use those banks essentially have official credits, in the form of these intials. I've listed the ones I could find here:
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There's also another bank named "n_zelda", suggesting it was created by Nagata, but the thing is that Grandma's theme uses it, even though that's an officially confirmed Kondo composition. This probably means that either he composed it and Nagata arranged it/put the song into the game, or Kondo used the main composer's bank to save space. Either way, that means the songs using that bank weren't all done by Nagata alone, so I didn't list them here. |
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If you looked at the tracks using the "n_zelda" AW file, could you post your results for that one too? While not all may have been composed by Nagata, I think it's important for confirming the theory further (the above tracks are a pretty good indication) and to see which compositions aren't included and could therefore have been done by Minegishi or Kondo. I don't have the game files with me at the moment, otherwise I'd help you out. |
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I could've sworn that the Forest Haven tracks were composed by Hajime Wakai. The rest makes sense tho. Kondo's Grandma theme was probably just arranged by Nagata, based on Kondo's sheet notes.
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That leaves us with the following tracks that are either streamed or use a soundbank that don't include any of the assumed composer initials (I included whether they're streamed or sequenced on the GameCube). Cross-referenced with Mentalo's research:
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For the Nagata "n_zelda" ones you listed I cross-referenced the following but as Mentalo said the rearranged HD tracks are not indicative of the original composers for the GameCube version: Spoiler:
There's a lot of overlap with the "pure" Nagata sound bank tracks. As you said G Boy, we can't really use them as confirmation that they were all done by Nagata. But personally I could see Nagata as their composer (maybe with the exception of "Grandma", "The Second Maritime Battle" and "Ganondorf Battle", though not based on the style but merely on known credits/comments). |
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with Wind Waker being added to Nintendo Music, I started doing my own research into the credits. this ultimately came down to pretty much just compiling everything already discussed in this thread
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as you can see, pretty much every song with multiple sources for potential credits consistently has the same composer. exception is "Grandma", which has commentary from Koji Kondo on CN-P004 [NOTE: not any concrete credit, he just wrote commentary for the song], but uses Kenta Nagata's sound bank. I can see 3 different possibilities for this song specifically: - Koji Kondo composed the song and used Kenta Nagata's sound bank. - Koji Kondo composed the song and Kenta Nagata arranged it using his own sound bank. - Kenta Nagata composed and arranged the song, Koji Kondo just wrote some commentary for the album. furthermore, boss intros/phases seem to all be consistently the same composer. for example, the file names in HD suggest Hajime Wakai did "Gohma Appears", with the banks in the GameCube game suggesting he did "Gohma Battle" (both phases). of course, most on here are ultimately still speculation, just with a lot of evidence suggesting it's true. assuming this is all true, that leaves us with 32 out of the 133 tracks without credit. |
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I'm not sure how Grandma could be considered to not be Kondo's? I disagree with the idea that the artist names on the "PEACH" CD aren't concrete, they're clearly not just arbitrarily given to random sound team members for commentary. There's also the Kondo performance of "Grandma" from the 25th Anniversary Concert in London.
Although I agree the sound banks can be compelling, I think "Grandma" should cast more doubt on the viability of taking banks to mean arrangers rather than doubting that Kondo is actually responsible. A possible explanation is that each bank was created by the person overseeing that aspect of gameplay (Nagata for field BGM, Wakai for battle BGM, etc.), but theoretically anyone could choose to use someone else's bank especially if they were conscious of the game's engine. Star Fox 64's leaked files contains samples with Minegishi's ("g") signature on them, yet he wasn't even credited on that game in any capacity. I think borrowing is likely pretty common. I'm also mildly curious as to who "r" is, credited on the E3 Title file. It doesn't line up to anyone obvious to me. |
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I definitely think Kondo composed the song, but the question remains whether Nagata arranged it. Quote:
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I haven't been able to find any other games with "r" yet, so it could be any Wind Waker / HD staff that doesn't have another assigned letter yet. it is, obviously, likely to be someone with r in their name (Masafumi Kawamura, Takahiro Watanabe, Taro Bando, Toru Asakawa), though that doesn't necessarily have to be the case (like Motoi Sakuraba, assuming that's a legit suffix and not the result of Sakuraba being an external composer not employed by Nintendo). if there's any other games with r, we might be able to make a guess, or maybe even straight-up confirm who it is if there's only one WW/HD staff member involved with that title. Last edited by PhantomRuby; Jan 15, 2025 at 02:55 AM. |
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it is, of course, also possible "r" wasn't involved in the final product at all.
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