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It's really simple, http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/148126276 has been relisted for many times so Banjo Kazooie isn't even selling for $500.
Why would anyone, even so called rich people, pay $1,500? That's 300% of a reference price you can't really take as reference. Two conclusions: a) Banjoo Kazooie is not as valuable (or rare) as sellers may think and collectors are led to believe and b) whoever sells it for 1500 has no intention of making money and is just artificially trying to raise the value (hey, it doesn't work). Defending this strategy is stupid, why not just support VGM shops with fair prices and a professional business model instead (Amedis, Suruga-ya..)? I can see why stuff like this http://vgmdb.net/album/9080 goes for 30,000 yen (and it really does) because there was only ever a handful of copies made but factory pressed CDs, seriously..? Last edited by Teioh; Feb 20, 2012 at 10:57 PM. |
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But then I am a guy who buys albums and rips them myself, even if there's rips floating around with same settings and tags. Quote:
And don't link to that shitty site again, please.
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This "price-pushing" or just asking for ridiculous amounts to me is as bad behaviour as buying CDs more than once only to speculate about a later drastical increase in value; intention is solely to make profit by selling them for more money when it goes OOP. Are those "asshole"-character traits? To me: Yes. May "Nozomi-san" be a nice person still and otherwise a great seller? Sure. Quote:
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Imaginary poll #1: Pick the person that you like more.
1. someone who sells CDs for hundreds and thousands of dollars. 2. someone who shares music with other people. I take 2 anytime. Imaginary poll #2: Pick the person that you think cares more about music: 1. someone who sells CDs for hundreds and thousands of dollars. 2. someone who shares music with other people. I take 2 anytime. |
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Quoting for truth!
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Also, I don't see problem in uploading out of print albums or doujin stuff, which again are bit on the grey area to start with. And I wouldn't say that Demetori is shit, unless that was the what a joke you meant.
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In this case it's Hellacias fault, that downloaders exist.
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Whoa whoa whoa, I leave you kids alone for 5 minutes, and this becomes about Demetori and pirating? I swear...
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I can be wrong (correct me with proof if so) but copyrights must be paid to be copyrights no?
because in that case, it's only intellectual property for authors and anybody could use it, rearrange it etc no? |
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Example: Write a piece of sourcecode, and then license it under the (probably well-known) GPL General Public License. This defines the copyright for this piece of work. GNU likes to call this copyleft, because the copyright isn't very restrictive, but it's still a copyright in the legal sense. See Copyleft for the details of the copyright in the GPL. And yes, this works the same for music and any kind of media. All under the assumption that the work is self-published. When a publisher/distributor comes into play, then things might look different because the author is probably going to transfer certain rights over to the publisher. Last edited by LiquidAcid; Feb 21, 2012 at 05:38 AM. |
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While i would agree with you on a moral-side of the matter, and i'm all for "the label made 'X' copies? They're fine with 'X' guys owning it", i've come to understand that it's not that simple, or better... There's no real harm: Let's just imagine that a label makes 800 copies of an album, they all get sold, then for a reason or the other the label closes business and the copyright holder doesn't care enough to issue a reprint. I'd like to ask, where would the damage be in such a situation? After all they took all the money they wanted, and since there's no reprint or factory-sealed copies available, no real stealing would happen. Sure, you're not doing a very right thing... But again, even selling music may not be considered entirely "right", after all anyone can grab an instrument and give it a try, music is everyone's property.
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no no, I think I forgot to say something about that, my bad
how can you prove that the works you made (and you said it's yours by copyrights) is really your works? I find a bit easy to put a (C) + a date + name of the author and it's all if a person disagrees your rights about a piece of works, what can you do to justify the fact it's yours? that's why I wonder if people putting (C) on their website, etc. don't misuse it |
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In such a case the dispute goes to court, like it always does. Take e.g. the Apple vs. Samsung case about the iPad design. Well, that's not exactly about copyright but more about patent law, but the issue is the same.
Claiming copyright is kinda easy. Enforcing is the hard part. |
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Over here the way to proove copyright is basically to post your original design to yourself via recorded delivery and leave it unopened. Unethical for some things I know, but for something like a CD its pretty good.
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I may be wrong, but I think instances of someone claiming ownership and copyright over something someone else created are very rare. Actually I've never heard of it. The only instances where it becomes an issue are incidental: like when someone hears some music and subconsciously writes it into their song, take Robo's theme from Chrono Trigger, Mitsuda claims he never heard Astley's song before, so it's more of a coincidence. I've never heard of two people arguing over who created a finished product. It seems whoever the true owner is would have tons of preliminary documents leading up to it. But I may be wrong. But how does this pertain to the conversation anyway?
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The same goes even more for a pop backing track, as most pop/rock musicians don't work from sheet music, but from lead sheets, only indicating the general harmony and lyrics. |
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@Teioh's sale list: Way to go!
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he's selling mystic ark. OMG!
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That Mystic Ark soundtrack is much cheaper on Amazon.com Japan, so is there any reason Teioh's copy is going for more than $1,000?
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No at all, but I don't know that individual very well.
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Teioh-san is an excellent seller. I've never bought from him (!) but from what I can see he's selling something for $3000 USD and since it's rare it makes him an excellent seller.
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Maybe 1500 is extreme, but the thing is, unless you are selling a CD to a friend (or you are just a really nice person) why shouldn't someone sell a CD for an 'asshole price' if that's what they go for. Say they sell it cheaper, someone who is smart will just pick it up and flip it. In other words, there is a market for these things (us), and with a market comes all that economics supply demand etc. Why shouldn't someone get what an item is worth? New releases often retail for $40, and tack on shipping most items start around $50 which is already ludicrous for a CD, so if we are going to be ludicrous, you might as well be completely ludicrous, right?? Anyway that's part of the fun of the hobby, you can enjoy your hearing your friends saying 'you paid WHAT for that??'
btw come down a wee bit and Treasure Hunter G is sold! Last edited by Yotsuya; Feb 22, 2012 at 11:58 PM. |
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I'm still gonna put my vote up for the original Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 soundtracks; on average they go for like $200+. I remember one guy (A well-known seller of rare albums) sold me the Sonic Adventure OST for like $200 (Used, but in good condition and with everything included), and wanted like over $300 for a new, sealed copy of the Sonic Adventure 2 soundtrack.
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