ALCA-5023: SONIC THE HEDGEHOG-REMIX

[Kewing]

I changed back the arranger credits to o-gata. I think the credits are supposed to be read like: hata-bow on 1,3,6, and 7 -and- o-gata on 2,4,5, and 8. If we assumed otherwise, track 7 would be left uncredited.
Besides Ogata has been credited as o-gata on other albums so that would make more sense, I think

[Secret Squirrel]

Haha, I'm sure you're right about that. I just fixed the links.

[kyubihanyou]

For those who want to label the original songs, here's an unofficial breakdown based on this album on who did what: [NOTE: NO OFFICIAL NOTES EXIST; IGNORE THE ZONE CLASSIFICATIONS FOR NOW AND SKIP TO POST #12 FOR A BETTER ZONE BREAKDOWN.]

[Bold=Confirmed ; Italics = Implied ; Underline = Problem area]

Masafumi Ogata: Sonic - You Can Do Anything (Vocals by Keiko Utoku), Title, Palmtree Panic, Collision Chaos, Wacky Workbench, Stardust Speedway, Metallic Madness, Special Stage, Little Planet, Speed Up!!, Invincibile!!, Game Over

Naofumi Hataya: Tidal Tempest, Quartz Quadrant, Zone Clear, Boss!!, Final Fever, Cosmic Eternity - Believe in Yourself (Vocals by Keiko Utoku)

EDIT:

01 Love you "Sonic" (NH) ----> Original music (Vocals by Takenobu Mitsuyoshi [yasu])
02 Techno power mix (MO) -----> Wacky Workbench, Metallic Madness, Palmtree Panic (Bad Future), Collision Chaos, Little Planet, Tidal Tempest (Bad Future), Palmtree Panic (Bad Future), Quartz Quadrant (Bad Future), Stardust Speedway*
03 Dr."Gigglymen" (NH) -----> Quartz Quadrant (Present and Bad Future) (?), Boss, Final Fever [NOTE: Stardust Speedway vocals are used, but not the SS music (Vocals are actually most like those from GF, as they inflect upwards)]
04 Brand-new World (MO) ----> Sonic - You Can Do Anything (Vocals by Hitomi Momoi [momo] and Takenobu Mitsuyoshi [yasu])
05 #8th SPACE (MO) -----> Special Stage
06 Miracle Blue~Little Planet~ (NH) ----> Quartz Quadrant (Good Future), Tidal Tempest (Good Future), Palmtree Panic (Good Future)
07 When we reach for you~Could it be right~ (NH) -----> Cosmic Eternity - Believe in Yourself (Vocals by Takenobu Mitsuyoshi [yasu])
08 Sonic Stream (MO) -------> Original music

*To be fair, Naofumi Hataya did the 6290 and After 6290 mixes found on Sonic Gems Collection, the first of which includes all the zone themes except Quartz.
Here's the former, except with a little "reworking" --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yqflb4xU2Q [Technically, the Wacky Workbench GF part is cut out of this mix, but the original has it. Seek it out.]

This site claims that Takenobu Mitsuyoshi and his almighty Engrish is the voice behind tracks 1, 4, and 7 (as yasu). momo is still unknown, though.
http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_-_Remix

Here's a few songs of his to compare as well as those listed above
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-B951LjTXU - Love you "Sonic"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZUZS9P_27E - Brand-new World (female voice is momo [identity unknown])
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vlf6gDsRzzk - When we reach for you~Could it be right~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTvTVIVBpUg - Let's Go Away (Piano Version) [Daytona USA]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWcqEcnNTtk - The King of Speed [Daytona USA]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp6T6q6_9VQ - Sky High [Daytona USA]

[Blitz Lunar]

o_O
how did i not know about that.
*retagging redbook*

.. wait, how clear is it with regards who did the past/present/future versions for each stage? (like how with NiGHTS into dreams different composers were responsible for the variations.) or is it just assumed that they did all variations for their respective stage tunes?

eitherway this info makes me giddy.

[kyubihanyou]

Originally Posted by Blitz Lunar

eitherway this info makes me giddy.

Glad to be of service

BTW, look up ^

[Kewing]

Wow, nice info breakdown. Just curious: where does it come from? The liner notes?
Yasu being Mitsuyoshi does sound consistent, as it clearly resembles his voice and peculiar english, and he and Hataya already collaborated on some soundtracks (mainly SEGA Rally, I think, along others most surely).

"Hah! I knew you'd risk yourself for Mr. Lincoln"
Very nice YTMPV, Deepercutt was real good at it.

[kyubihanyou]

Originally Posted by Kewing Darksun

Wow, nice info breakdown. Just curious: where does it come from? The liner notes?

They're not listed in liner notes, but observing which tracks are within the eight here (which I listed above) in comparison to the arranger of each track made the distinctions clear as day. The resulting tempo differentiation is also notable in furthering the validity of these assignments, as it would appear that Masafumi did all the action-packed, fast-paced tracks whilst Naofumi had the slower, more ambient tracks; this also applies to the opening and ending themes, respectively. I also know for a fact that Naofumi held onto that style up to Sonic Heroes almost ten years later.

Game Over, Speed Up, Invincibility, and Title, though not technically on here, all borrow elements from Sonic You Can Do Anything, which Masafumi composed. The same logic applies to Act Clear in regards to Cosmic Eternity - Believe in Yourself, done by Naofumi Hataya. (Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu4JKfGOQyo from 2:35 to 2:50)

As I said before, elements of all the zone variations are all present in the Present/original version, so there would normally be no complications regarding GFs, BFs and Ps, just as music for different Acts in later games maintain the same components between them. [EDIT: NO LONGER THE CASE FOR THIS GAME. PLEASE IGNORE]

Track 6 was the real difference maker, as it pulled Tidal and Quartz away from Masafumi's grasp in Track 2, and since the reverse did not happen, I knew I had it right for those two. Had Track 2 lacked any of the seven zones I would have been suspicious, but having all of them together neutralized any chance of Masafumi having done Tidal or Quartz, as it was a full medley. The 6290 mix was put up for good measure, as it showed the reverse happening [Naofumi making a medley of nearly all of them].

All the other ones only appeared once and, therefore, were easy pickings.

*To be honest I just did this cause I was bored and saw that no one else had done this. Still, I'm happy I could help you. This was certainly easier to crack than my other ventures [it was even easier than the US version of this game].

[CHz]

Uh, so we're clear here.

Originally Posted by kyubihanyou

They're not listed in liner notes, but observing which tracks are within the eight here (which I listed above) in comparison to the arranger of each track made the distinctions clear as day.

That breakdown of the original tracks that you posted is therefore just as much speculation as the other breakdowns you posted, right? Arrangement doesn't imply composition in any way.

[kyubihanyou]

Originally Posted by CHz

Uh, so we're clear here.


That breakdown of the original tracks that you posted is therefore just as much speculation as the other breakdowns you posted, right? Arrangement doesn't imply composition in any way.

You're right about arrangements, but these are remixes - which utilize the original sounds and constructs to an exceptional degree - done by the original composers themselves, no less.

If only one of the two composers did this album, I wouldn't have bothered with it, but the fact that both are here and the tracks are so evenly divided between them with little interference leaves something to be desired. If nothing else, this is the biggest hint we're ever gonna get, and it's a whopper of a hint.

Furthermore, Masafumi and Naofumi definitely arranged their own work in Tracks 4 and 7, respectively. I say that's enough reason for the rest of these tracks to have been done by their original composer as well.

Well at least I still got you on Takenobu Mitsuyoshi being yasu. There's no mistaking that Engrish of his.

[Kewing]

While I see that you have a solid point, like CHz said, it's still a bit of an speculation. I wouldn't be surprised if they did like in Nights, with Ogata arranging Hataya tracks, and viceversa. It's personal opinion, but I don't think Hataya was only limited to slower tracks (look at Quart Quadrant B Mix, I'm kinda confident it was done by him too).
Besides I'd put my hand on the fire for Stardust Speeday been done by Hataya; it has that special groove feel of his.

[Blitz Lunar]

i would have thought all the good future tunes were done by one guy and all the bad future tunes by the other, because of how consistent the styles are. but who knows, the entire thing could have been collaborative.

um. contact the composers, maybe? :3

[kyubihanyou]

Originally Posted by Blitz Lunar

i would have thought all the good future tunes were done by one guy and all the bad future tunes by the other, because of how consistent the styles are. but who knows, the entire thing could have been collaborative.

Funny you mention that, because I just made a startling revelation between these two tracks that made me rethink part of my prior assessment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN1Wka4_r3k -->1:08 to 1:12 and 1:13 to 1:15 (Palmtree GF) [Same is heard in Present and Past]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl4OfCDeW4A --> 0:54 to 0:58 and 1:06 to 1:08 (Sonic Heroes Select)

Between this and your statement, it looks like you're right. Naofumi must have done all the GFs [makes sense with Miracle Blue and 6290 having a few] while Masafumi, as you said, must have done all the BFs. And now I listen to them... (Ironic that someone like me is only doing this now, isn't it?)

Z/T Pa Pr GF BF
PP NH NH NH MO
CC MO MO NH MO
TT MO MO NH MO
QQ NH NH NH MO
WW MO MO NH MO
SS NH NH NH MO
MM NH NH NH NH

-Past tracks are either old-sounding and scratchy or still clear and techno-ish; I say NH and MO, respectively.
-In terms of the Present, my findings (with the exception of Palmtree as shown above) seem to hold up pretty well, especially against these new GFs and BFs classifications. They even hold up well with the remix tracks, as Miracle Blue by NH contains two Good Future tracks itself.
(ex. Stardust Past and Bad Future sound A LOT like Present, and I JUST realized that Good Future has those same "sparkle sounds" as Quartz Present and Good Future).
-Guess Hataya likes his samples.
-Everything else (Boss, Little Planet, etc.) should still be the same due to definitely appearing only once under each name.
-Masafumi = Techno ; Naofumi = Non-Techno


**Guess it's been longer than I thought since I last heard this soundtrack. This setup makes a lot more sense than attributing an entire zone to someone, especially since there was one in each set that was clearly different from the others [At least Sonic 3&K's not like that]. Sorry for leading you semi-astray before, guys. Please forgive me. :{

EDIT: I found another mind-screw for you guys. Check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARxaa8iNz4c --->Pugwash vs. Sonic CD

EDIT2: Christmas NiGHTS contained a track named Rolling Eggman. it's credited to Naofumi Hataya. Naofumi was also the one who arranged Dr. "Gigglymen", which includes the original version of the theme used in Rolling Eggman (Final Fever). I think that's proof that the arrangers are sticking to their own tracks, don't you agree? This halfway validates Dr. "Gigglymen" as Hataya-only compositions.
http://vgmdb.net/album/7008

EDIT3: Naofumi Hataya is in the credits of Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing (CS1 R&D Sound) while Masafumi is not (not even in Special Thanks). Two of the tracks in the game are Palmtree Panic (Present) and Metallic Madness (Present). That's an official confirmation in my book. The similarities between "Palmtree Panic" and "System Screen : Select" only help to further the validity of the former.
http://www.mobygames.com/game/window...racing/credits

EDIT4: There is a special staff list in Sonic CD that is accessible when you complete the Secret Special Stage. Masafumi Ogata is credited for "Sound." A true confirmation for Ogata, which also validaites #8th SPACE as Ogata-only compositions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CJHmWl8_GU at 1:57

EDIT5: Is "momo" here the same as this Momo? (http://vgmdb.net/artist/152) (Hitomi Momoi)
It's in the same general time period, and she appears on one of the few titles Ogata was involved with after Sonic CD. The track she lends her voice to here is also composed by Ogata.
Also, to reiterate, it should be brutally obvious that yasu is Takenobu Mitsuyoshi.

[Blitz Lunar]

it looks like you're right

I'm not sure about the Techno/Not Techno divide either actually... was just listening to NiGHTS soundtrack and noticed this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ODb24FltH8

credited to Hataya. sounds pretty alike the bad future songs.
I also think Stardust Speedway present sounds like Hataya's style of harmony, and you've pinned that as Ogata's work

Also, to reiterate, it should be brutally obvious that yasu is Takenobu Mitsuyoshi.

lol moar scrabble.
i think putting these types of information up is a bit dangerous. i feel you are finding patterns where none really exist.

[kyubihanyou]

Originally Posted by Blitz Lunar

I'm not sure about the Techno/Not Techno divide either actually... was just listening to NiGHTS soundtrack and noticed this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ODb24FltH8

credited to Hataya. sounds pretty alike the bad future songs.
I also think Stardust Speedway present sounds like Hataya's style of harmony, and you've pinned that as Ogata's work

Well there is a "Techno power mix" credited to Ogata, you know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hn2HhMP8Cs
Original Composition & Arrangement: Naofumi Hataya, Masafumi Ogata
Arrangement: Masafumi Ogata
-Wacky Workbench
-Palmtree Panic
-Collision Chaos
-Little Planet
-Tidal Tempest / Palmtree Panic (Bad Future)
-Quartz Quadrant / Stardust Speedway
-Metallic Madness

Sonic 6290 Mix (http://vgmdb.net/album/7988)
Original Composition & Arrangement: Naofumi Hataya, Masafumi Ogata
Arrangement: Naofumi Hataya [Reused in Sonic Gems Collection, where Hataya is Sound Director]
-Metallic Madness (Bad Future)
-Palmtree Panic (Bad Future)
-Tidal Tempest (Bad Future)
-Collision Chaos (Bad Future)
-Stardust Speedway (Bad Future)
-Wacky Workbench (Good Future)

Sonic CD Ambient Mix (http://vgmdb.net/album/7988; http://vgmdb.net/album/13121)
Original Composition & Arrangement: Naofumi Hataya, Masafumi Ogata
Arrangement: Naofumi Hataya [Same general set as the 6290 mixes; inclusion of a definite Hataya track]
-Tidal Tempest (Good Future) ---> Composition is definitely Ogata's, but the arrangement style is the same in "Little Planet ~Miracle Blue~" (a Hataya arrangement)
-Quartz Quadrant (Good Future) --> Same arrangement style used in "Little Planet ~Miracle Blue~" (a Hataya arrangement)
-Collision Chaos (Good Future)
-Metallic Madness (Good Future)
-Stardust Speedway (Good Future)
-Wacky Workbench (Good Future)
-Cosmic Eternity - Believe in Yourself

Sonic After 6290 Mix (http://vgmdb.net/album/4348)
Original Composition: Masafumi Ogata
Arrangement: Naofumi Hataya [Reused in Sonic Gems Collection, where Hataya is Sound Director]
-Intro
-Special Stage
-Sonic - You Can Do Anything
-Wacky Workbench
-Tidal Tempest
-Collision Chaos

Originally Posted by Blitz Lunar

lol moar scrabble.
i think putting these types of information up is a bit dangerous. i feel you are finding patterns where none really exist.

Surely you can't deny it this time; who else has Engrish like that? I mean for this instance to be a deathblow rather than primary evidence (by eliminating any chance of it being anyone OTHER THAN Mitsuyoshi rather than Mitsuyoshi to begin with). The Momo I noted above is also likely to be the same momo here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZUZS9P_27E - Brand-new World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw0-mfbd1gg - (Maybe someday) Death Crimson 2

Can you really say that this isn't Mitsuyoshi, either? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_iGhJywll8

How about a live performance?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHkTQMWo9ME

[Blitz Lunar]

Well there is a "Techno power mix" credited to Ogata, you know.

sure. but like CHz said earlier, arrangement doesn't imply composition. and furthermore video game composers are usually expected to cover a wide territory of styles for different projects. I wouldn't rule out Hataya doing some of the techno style stuff.

Surely you can't deny it this time

I never denied that ~ If it sounds like Mitsuyoshi it probably is. what I'm criticising is how you found four letters in his name to assemble "yasu" and assume that is the connection. you could pull yasu out of a million japanese names if you wanted. it is meaningless. it's not even part of his name.

anyway the only way this will be solved is if one of the composers clarifies or it actually gets a soundtrack release some time.

[kyubihanyou]

OK. I've definitely got it this time.

Naofumi Hataya: Palmtree Panic (Present), Palmtree Panic (Past), Palmtree Panic (Good Future), Collision Chaos (Good Future), Tidal Tempest (Good Future), Quartz Quadrant (Present), Quartz Quadrant (Past), Quartz Quadrant (Good Future), Wacky Workbench (Good Future), Stardust Speedway (Present), Stardust Speedway (Past), Stardust Speedway (Good Future), Metallic Madness (Present), Metallic Madness (Past), Metallic Madness (Good Future), Metallic Madness (Bad Future), Zone Clear, Boss!!, Final Fever, Cosmic Eternity - Believe in Yourself

Masafumi Ogata: Sonic - You Can Do Anything, Title, Palmtree Panic (Bad Future), Collision Chaos (Present), Collision Chaos (Past), Collision Chaos (Bad Future), Tidal Tempest (Present), Tidal Tempest (Past), Tidal Tempest (Bad Future), Quartz Quadrant (Bad Future), Wacky Workbench (Present), Wacky Workbench (Past), Wacky Workbench (Bad Future), Stardust Speedway (Bad Future), Special Stage, Little Planet, Speed Up!!, Invincibile!!, Game Over

Also...

Sonic CD vs. Sonic 2 (8-bit) - The similarities

Sonic - You Can Do Anything : Green Hills Zone
Palmtree Panic : Act Start
Collision Chaos : Gimmick Mountain Zone
Tidal Tempest : Crystal Egg Zone
Quartz Quadrant : Aqua Lake Zone
Wacky Workbench : Invincibility
Stardust Speedway : Scrambled Egg Zone
Metallic Madness : Sky High Zone
Boss : Boss (GG)