Suggestions to update Pokémon franchise page

[coroquetz]

Seeing as this page is badly in need of updating, here's some suggestions for adding product pages.

Since the games are released in pairs but usually have essentially the same soundtrack, I think we should just follow how Nintendo named them, so one product page for Red & Green, Gold & Silver etc. (just follow how I put it below preferably) and standardize it for this site.

I've already changed the product listings on the albums listed below, if I missed any (probably the doujin/fan arrange ones) feel free to change them and link them once the pages are made.

Product
- Releases

Pokémon: Red & Green (JP: Feb 27 1996)
- Pokémon: Blue (JP: Oct 15 1996)
- Pokémon Red Version & Blue Version (US: 1 Sep 1998, EU: 10 Jun 1999)
- Pokémon Yellow Version: Special Pikachu Edition (JP: 12 Sep 1998, US: 1 Oct 1999, EU: 16 Jun 2000)
- Pokémon FireRed Version & LeafGreen Version (JP: 29 Jan 2004, US: 9 Sep 2004, EU: Oct 1 2004)

Relevant albums:
http://vgmdb.net/album/141
http://vgmdb.net/album/9790
http://vgmdb.net/album/14883
http://vgmdb.net/album/22597
http://vgmdb.net/album/4336
http://vgmdb.net/album/35807
http://vgmdb.net/album/37316
http://vgmdb.net/album/37820
http://vgmdb.net/album/41177
http://vgmdb.net/album/24276
http://vgmdb.net/album/12772
http://vgmdb.net/album/15764
http://vgmdb.net/album/17403
http://vgmdb.net/album/31695
http://vgmdb.net/album/29666
http://vgmdb.net/album/6779
http://vgmdb.net/album/32638
http://vgmdb.net/album/41508

Pokémon Gold Version & Silver Version (JP: 21 Nov 1999, US: 15 Oct 2000, EU: 6 Apr 2001)
- Pokémon Crystal Version (JP: 14 Dec 2000, US: 29 Jul 2001, EU: 2 Nov 2001)
- Pokémon HeartGold Version & SoulSilver Version (JP: 12 Sep 2009, US: 14 Mar 2010, EU: 26 Mar 2010)

Relevant albums:
http://vgmdb.net/album/15237
http://vgmdb.net/album/41177
http://vgmdb.net/album/24276
http://vgmdb.net/album/12772
http://vgmdb.net/album/15764
http://vgmdb.net/album/17403
http://vgmdb.net/album/31695
http://vgmdb.net/album/29666
http://vgmdb.net/album/11608
http://vgmdb.net/album/13470
http://vgmdb.net/album/17719
http://vgmdb.net/album/41599
http://vgmdb.net/album/34386
http://vgmdb.net/album/37916

Pokémon Ruby Version & Sapphire Version (JP: 21 Nov 2002, US: 19 Mar 2003, EU: 25 Jul 2003)
- Pokémon Emerald Version (JP: 16 Sep 2004, US: 1 May 2005, EU: 21 Oct 2005)

Relevant albums:
http://vgmdb.net/album/1024
http://vgmdb.net/album/24276
http://vgmdb.net/album/29826
http://vgmdb.net/album/15764
http://vgmdb.net/album/17403
http://vgmdb.net/album/31695

Pokémon Diamond Version & Pearl Version (JP: 28 Sep 2006, US: 22 Apr 2007, EU: 27 Jul 2007)
- Pokémon Platinum Version (JP: 13 Sep 2008, US: 22 Mar 2009, EU: 22 May 2009)

Relevant albums:
http://vgmdb.net/album/3945
http://vgmdb.net/album/41177
http://vgmdb.net/album/24276
http://vgmdb.net/album/17403
http://vgmdb.net/album/31695
http://vgmdb.net/album/29666
http://vgmdb.net/album/17071
http://vgmdb.net/album/37976
http://vgmdb.net/album/41339

Pokémon Black Version & White Version (JP: 18 Sep 2010, US: 6 Mar 2011, EU: 4 Mar 2011)

Relevant albums:
http://vgmdb.net/album/20831
http://vgmdb.net/album/36396
http://vgmdb.net/album/31695
http://vgmdb.net/album/29666

Pokémon Black Version 2 & White Version 2 (JP: 23 Jun 2012, US: 7 Oct 2012, EU: 12 Oct 2012) (not a remake of BW but is a sequel, so needs it's own page)

Relevant albums:
http://vgmdb.net/album/33367
http://vgmdb.net/album/37333
http://vgmdb.net/album/36396
http://vgmdb.net/album/37116

Pokémon X & Y (Worldwide: Oct 12 2013) (the 'version' part of the title is indeed dropped)

Relevant albums:
http://vgmdb.net/album/41066
http://vgmdb.net/album/41177



Side titles (only listed games that have relevant albums on this site)

Pokémon Stadium (JP: 1 Aug 1998)
- Pokémon Stadium (JP: 30 Apr 1999, US: 29 Feb 2000, EU: 7 Apr 2000)

Relevant albums:
http://vgmdb.net/album/9790
http://vgmdb.net/album/1401

Pokémon Snap (JP: 21 Mar 1999, US: 30 Jul 1999, EU: 15 Sep 2000)
- Pokémon Snap (Wii Virtual Console rerelease; JP: 4 Dec 2007, US: 10 Dec 2007, EU: 11 Dec 2007)

Relevant albums:
http://vgmdb.net/album/1401

Pokémon Card GB2: Here Comes Team GR! (JP: 8 Mar 2001)

Relevant albums:
http://vgmdb.net/album/15764

Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team & Blue Rescue Team (JP: Nov 17 2005, US: 18 Sep 2006, EU: 10 Nov 2006) (Red on GBA and Blue on DS)

Relevant albums:
http://vgmdb.net/album/29826

Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time & Explorers of Darkness (JP: 13 Sep 2007, US: 20 Apr 2008, EU: 4 Jul 2008)
- Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky (JP: 18 Apr 2009, US: 12 Oct 2009, EU: 20 Nov 2009)

Relevant albums:
http://vgmdb.net/album/29826
http://vgmdb.net/album/15764

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Anime/TV

Pokémon (JP, Apr 1st 1997)
- Pokémon: Indigo League (US, Sep 8th 1998)
- Pokémon: Adventures in the Orange Islands (US, Jan 8th 2000)
- Pokémon: The Johto Journeys (US, Oct 14th 2000)
- Pokémon: Johto League Champions (US, Aug 18th 2001)
- Pokémon: Master Quest (US, Sep 14th 2002)

Relevant albums:
http://vgmdb.net/album/17519
http://vgmdb.net/album/1639
http://vgmdb.net/album/18402
http://vgmdb.net/album/18401
http://vgmdb.net/album/13752
http://vgmdb.net/album/18505
http://vgmdb.net/album/18506
http://vgmdb.net/album/18398
http://vgmdb.net/album/18396
http://vgmdb.net/album/18395
http://vgmdb.net/album/18388
http://vgmdb.net/album/18387
http://vgmdb.net/album/23536
http://vgmdb.net/album/23533
http://vgmdb.net/album/19037
http://vgmdb.net/album/18378
http://vgmdb.net/album/18375
http://vgmdb.net/album/22089
http://vgmdb.net/album/19068
http://vgmdb.net/album/22198
http://vgmdb.net/album/22497
http://vgmdb.net/album/26868
http://vgmdb.net/album/35776
http://vgmdb.net/album/38582
http://vgmdb.net/album/38581
http://vgmdb.net/album/38638
http://vgmdb.net/album/38690
http://vgmdb.net/album/38691
http://vgmdb.net/album/38579
http://vgmdb.net/album/38580
http://vgmdb.net/album/33711
http://vgmdb.net/album/37026
http://vgmdb.net/album/20808
http://vgmdb.net/album/38361

Pokémon Advanced Generation (JP, Nov 21st 2002)
- Pokémon: Advanced (US, Nov 1st 2003)
- Pokémon: Advanced Challenge (US, Sep 11th 2004)
- Pokémon: Advanced Battle (US, Sep 17th 2005)
- Pokémon: Battle Frontier (US, Sep 8th 2006)

Relevant albums:
http://vgmdb.net/album/18373
http://vgmdb.net/album/22089
http://vgmdb.net/album/18368
http://vgmdb.net/album/19068
http://vgmdb.net/album/18363
http://vgmdb.net/album/18820
http://vgmdb.net/album/18817
http://vgmdb.net/album/18359
http://vgmdb.net/album/18504
http://vgmdb.net/album/18347
http://vgmdb.net/album/22198
http://vgmdb.net/album/22497
http://vgmdb.net/album/26868
http://vgmdb.net/album/35776
http://vgmdb.net/album/38581
http://vgmdb.net/album/38579
http://vgmdb.net/album/38580

Pokémon Sunday (JP, Oct 3 2004)

Relevant albums:
http://vgmdb.net/album/18361
http://vgmdb.net/album/18504
http://vgmdb.net/album/19112
http://vgmdb.net/album/22104
http://vgmdb.net/album/22101
http://vgmdb.net/album/16693
http://vgmdb.net/album/16697

Pokémon Diamond & Pearl (JP, Sep 28th 2006)
- Pokémon: Diamond & Pearl (US, Apr 20th 2007)
- Pokémon Diamond & Pearl: Battle Dimension (US, Apr 12th 2008)
- Pokémon Diamond & Pearl: Galactic Battles (US, May 9th 2009)
- Pokémon Diamond & Pearl: Sinnoh League Victors (US, Jun 5th 2010)

Relevant albums:
http://vgmdb.net/album/26986
http://vgmdb.net/album/18843
http://vgmdb.net/album/18848
http://vgmdb.net/album/17013
http://vgmdb.net/album/16901
http://vgmdb.net/album/18852
http://vgmdb.net/album/18857
http://vgmdb.net/album/22157
http://vgmdb.net/album/22198
http://vgmdb.net/album/22497
http://vgmdb.net/album/26868
http://vgmdb.net/album/35776


I'll get around to the rest of the anime and anime movies soon.

[Despatche]

Ooh. The remakes NEED to be split though, they're very different in every way except basic concept. Also, it would be reasonable to treat Pocket Monsters' Stadium and Pocket Monsters' Stadium 2 as two different products, for the same reason we treat any "'sequel' that looks like an 'upgrade" as separate.

Fun fact: both the naming thing and the sequel thing are quirks shared by Shin Sangokumusou; two series provide yet another pair of compelling reasons why we absolutely need to adhere to original names and treat all others as second-rate alternatives, fun facts of history... they simply are, as dictated by reality.

...Enough about that. I'm unsure about Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum; they're somewhat different products with a different focus, meant to be "separate" from the first pairs; Black/White 2 may have "more", but they're still very close to the likes of those in spirit and in raw changes.

[coroquetz]

I actually think that for the purposes of this site, the remakes can be put as releases as they do share the same soundtrack except with additions.
I'll leave it up to the trusted editiors to decide.

[413/0]

Well, for once, the person that started that page seemingly got overwhelmed with the sheer volume of the series...or was aiming to make that solely for the anime. Either way, if a separation between both could be made, then that page could be kept as-is and be used for the anime and make a new one for the games - whatever works best, I think.

As for the title distinctions, I usually went for the "one at a time" route, as in list each name separately whenever making an entry that involves the games (i.e. Pokémon Green, Pokémon Red, etc.). After revising some of my entries, I agree to following the same order Nintendo usually does, as it makes things look better and organized.

Lastly, Despatche, split as in how, exactly? Whether they're special editions, updated versions, or just the remakes, they're still part of the same franchise. Granted, were I to make an entry of a doujin that has arrangements and/or remixes from the first games, I'm not going to list the remakes, other than including the special edition. If that's what you mean, then cool, I agree, otherwise you're being capriciously anal about stuff that in the end doesn't affect the flow of things.

[coroquetz]

I'm working on a similar list for the anime and the anime movies.

I think it's fine to have both, since franchises like this or this have both anime and games in the list of products.

[Despatche]

Originally Posted by coroquetz

I actually think that for the purposes of this site, the remakes can be put as releases as they do share the same soundtrack except with additions.
I'll leave it up to the trusted editiors to decide.

Remakes and certain ports have a completely different soundtrack with new synth and everything 9/10. We try to avoid putting such platforms down because the album obviously doesn't represent them. It should be the same for product pages.

Originally Posted by 413/0

Lastly, Despatche, split as in how, exactly? Whether they're special editions, updated versions, or just the remakes, they're still part of the same franchise. Granted, were I to make an entry of a doujin that has arrangements and/or remixes from the first games, I'm not going to list the remakes, other than including the special edition. If that's what you mean, then cool, I agree, otherwise you're being capriciously anal about stuff that in the end doesn't affect the flow of things.

See above, but some of those "third versions" do contain new music, like Emerald and Platinum; usually we try to split those too. Maybe they could be treated as something akin to the Gradius ReBirth update, but that's a really weird case anyway.

[Phonograph]

I had planned to update the pokemon page, honestly I need courage =)

[strugglepoo]

I started going through the Pokemon video game catalog last week and went to the product page to use it as a reference. I was sad (and surprised) to see that it was non-existent. I agree with 413/0; I would prefer to see the anime and video game products separated.

[Efendija]

Franchise pages, simply speaking, include everything. No animation or game separation, at least that wasn't done so far. Color says whether's a game, animation, print publication etc.

[strugglepoo]

Fair enough. That's where my proposal for having a filter between album categories would come in handy! (http://vgmdb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11871)

[coroquetz]

Happy X&Y people~

I've finished editing the product listings for most of the relevant albums for the anime (Best Wishes is missing a few albums that I'll add later), so the headpost is updated with stuff I've edited.

Will finish soon~

[Phonograph]

stop adding op/ed details at the end of track details, it's not clearly visible
don't bother with more editing, I'm doing the thing but if you want to add more albums, go for it

[coroquetz]

There's quite a bit of stuff left here that's unlinked, I dunno if you missed them or are still in the process of linking, just a heads up.

[Phonograph]

it's a matter of life or death if I don't assign everything in a row? or I can assign little by little?
you must be aware I make searches before assigning and after a moment it's annoying (I'm not gonna spend my life to assign products, I'm almost sure it's the same for everyone)
just be patient, the site won't fly away

[coroquetz]

sorry if I came across as impatient, I was just worried that you forgot :P
yeah, there's no rush, I won't ask anymore. Sorry~

[Phonograph]

I didn't forget, however I could need help for some non-japanese releases
also, since I don't care doujin albums, someone else should assign (in case they exist)

edit: I don't know if all vgmdb pokémon albums are in your first post, but you could update it by adding a sort of [linked] tag at the right of links