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I think you missed Koji Kondo for doing Track 33 on disc 2. (Rainbow Run)
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Speaking of "Rainbow Run", it and "Underground Cave" are synth upgrades of Super Mario 3D Land music. Yokota did work on that game, but he may not have been the one to make those original arrangements which are fairly closely mimicked on this album. "Snowball Park" and "Super Block Land" also came from 3D Land and are now noted to be composed by Asuka Hayazaki and Takeshi Hama respectively because their composers are known, but I figured I'd mention they're not the only ones reprised from 3D Land.
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We KNOW Kondo wrote the original theme, but arrangements not done by the original composer usually credit the person who arranged it. Except in the case of Super Mario Sunshine, where the SMB1 remix credited Koji Kondo, because he composed the original theme AND made that particular arrangement. |
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Arranged by Mahito Yokota Wouldn't it make sense to put him in the Arranged by category as well then? I was going by Composed by for who did the originals. I figured thats how its determined. Since Mahito Yokota didn't make the original, but instead did the arrangement, wouldn't he be in the Arranged by section for that reason? |
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I have a question to ask: It's not track 2.38 (Champion's Road) a new version of a theme from Super Mario Galaxy? Which is the title of that theme?
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#67
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Gusty Garden Galaxy (or Wind Garden)
Last edited by dissident93; Feb 4, 2014 at 11:43 AM. |
#68
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Not sure if this information would help, but its a Matrix number off of the CD.
NTDT-17290 MT B01 |
#69
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^ Album's catalog number must be NTDT-17290.
Nintendo has similar catalog numbers among their releases: http://vgmdb.net/org/268 But (at least) the ones we have in database always start with NTDO rather than NTDT. For what ever reason this one breaks the consistency. EDIT: Actually there's an instance where the matrix code says NTDT-17285 for this album so I'm not sure... there could be more variations out there, and why did the pressing plant print them with different matrix codes?... Last edited by MiLO; Feb 24, 2014 at 10:45 AM. |
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Just got my copy today, and I've added this Club Nintendo Europe/Australia/New Zealand version as a child album.
I can't seem to find a catalog number for this one. The matrix code on the CDs are given as: 103861 Super Mario 3D World - CD1 00873797 103862 Super Mario 3D World - CD2 00873798 There's no track-by-track composer breakdown in this version either. The booklet's contents are essentially the same as the Club Nintendo Japan version, but translated to English. |
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He's not in the credits (probably none of the performers are, unless they're Nintendo employees who did something else for the game too), but Tomori Kudo of ACE played guitar here: http://blog.ace-emotivesunshine.com/?eid=1121343.
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Made some stylization updates:
- All "World" --> "WORLD", per the track titles on the case. Even if it's localized, should still try to follow the stylization on the original titles if the word is the same, imo. - Removed the quotation marks from 2.39, they're not in the track title. - Changed (Short Version) to (Short Ver.) in the localized tracklist. Ver. --> Version isn't a localization edit and it's in English in the track title. Debatable edits, discuss or re-edit if there's objections: - 2.14 --> Changed to "WORLD 7" per actual title. Localization might have called it something else but I don't see why you would localize something already in full English as a track title. I guess it clarifies the stage name more but I don't think it's appropriate. - 2.22 --> Changed to "WORLD 8" per actual title. Same thing |
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I agree with the capitalization change as that's even the way it's written in the game. However, I'm not going to change it back, but I want to point out that in the game the seventh and eighth worlds aren't merely localized into different names in the English version, it's that where the number would go in "WORLD _" it has a picture of a castle and of Bowser respectively. The Japanese version of the game likely does the same. Even if this album calls them worlds 7 and 8, the game doesn't so I think a localized tracklist using names from the game shouldn't either.
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Bandoneon: Jun Hayakawa Violin: Hitoshi Konno Percussion: Tamao Fujii |
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I'd like verification for the credits we're presenting for this album:
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1-09, 1-19, 2-07, 2-23, 2-29, and 2-35 are new versions of tunes originating in Super Mario 3D Land, most of them redone to feature live instruments. Regarding 2-35, I don't know about the Gohara arrangement credit. However, I really think Takeshi Hama should not be credited as composer since the track is just a colorful, though pretty straightforward, arrangement of Hayazaki's main theme for the game. A note that Hama made the original arrangement this arrangement is based on is more appropriate.
I checked closely in an audio editor and 2-16 and 2-33 (also 2-24) are literally exactly the same as in Super Mario 3D Land. 2-18 is from New Super Mario Bros. and, allowing a little deviation in sound since the music in that game was sequenced, it is also the same, with the same instrument samples and all. It's apparently from Hayazaki's original file, pre-DS conversion. 1-03 and 2-39, as you know, are variations on the main theme of 3D World, which I guess is assumed to be Yokota - don't know if there's actually been official confirmation of it, but it's a pretty safe bet they're his. 1-11 is an expanded version of "The Toad Brigade" from Super Mario Galaxy, which is, of course, confirmed to be Yokota. The first 16 seconds, which is the entire loop of "The Toad Brigade", is even copied verbatim. |
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That's super helpful, thanks!
I couldn't verify that Yokota was responsible for the SM3DL versions of 1.09 and 2.33. The tracks in the piano book he's credited for are "Beach Theme" (not in SM3DW), "Boom Boom Fight" (2.24), "Boo Waltz" (not in SM3DW), "Victory March" (2.29), "Bowser's Castle" (2.23), "Course Clear Fanfare" (not in SM3DW), and "World Clear Fanfare" (1.19). Dunno if there's another source for those two songs. Yokota doing the "Super Mario 3D World Theme" comes from another piano book, so 2.39 and the almost-identical-through-the-first-loop 1.03 are solid. Unfortunately that's the only song from the game included. Are you sure Hayazaki did the 3D Land main theme? I see it credited to Hama in the piano books. EDIT: Quote:
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Really, Yokota for "Boom Boom Fight"? Just by the sound of it I would have figured it was Hayazaki, but I can see it assuming he did "Motley Bossblob" and "Blockade!"
I actually thought Hayazaki was confirmed for 3D Land's main theme, but I've never looked at one of the piano books for myself. Do the books have more than one variation and credit them all to Hama? Certainly, I defer to them if they say so. |
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Double-checked the book to make sure and yeah, Yokota for Boom Boom and Hayazaki for Pom Pom. The full credits from the book for the other two composers are:
Hama: Super Mario 3D Land Theme, Desert Theme, Clock Tower, Tail Bowser, Special World 8 Hayazaki: Pom Pom Fight, Snowy Mountain Theme, Final Battle With Bowser There's a variation of the main theme there with "Clock Tower." |
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Well, I made some changes, which reasons are:
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Also fixed a little things on the european release tracklist. Last edited by Robert_Chrystian; Apr 28, 2015 at 11:42 PM. |
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I'd been meaning to do a similar adjustment to the notes for ages but never got around to it, so there we go.
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I thank you, CHz, and all the other guys who gave birth and help VGMdb. I'm more than happy to help all the way I can to help the community. I spend more time here than anywhere else for about 2 years now, and this site opened my eyes to VGM official releases, and I'm saving money to buy original albums since. So thank you, and please feel free to ask my help for anything you don't have time to do here
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I re-listened to this soundtrack recently and I thought I could share my guesses with you, so there they are (I'm not detailling my process for Yokota songs since it would be too long otherwise) :
Yokota : Disc 1- 01, 03-06, 08-13, 15-19, 24-26, 28-38 Disc 2 - 01-02, 05-07, 10-11, 13-15, 20-24, 27-30, 32-34, 37-39 Minegishi : 1-02 (it gives me a huge Spirit Tracks vibe, especially the pan flute) 1-07 (arrangement of 1-02, merges some of the instruments used in 1-02 and 1-21) 1-20 (some of the instruments are re-used in 1-21) 1-21 (the pan flute, again + the way the guitar is used sounds very Minegishi-like) 1-22 (that bass is just screaming Minegishi) 1-23 (the way the bass, the piano and the guitar are used sounds a lot Minegishi-like) 2-09 (that bass + the piano, again) 2-17 (uses the same voice samples as 1-21) Iwata : 2-03 (it has some similarities with songs from Breath of the Wild like "Gerudo Town" or "Hateno Village") 2-04 (sounds a lot like the songs he made for Mario Kart 8) 2-19 (also kinda sounds like some of his MK8 songs) 2-25 (makes me think of "Lurelin Village" from BotW) 2-26 (the flute makes me think of the one in "Stables" from BotW) 2-36 (it's like "Spectating" and "Mario Kart TV" from MK8 had a baby) Kondo : 1-14 (as stated by Kondo himself) 2-12 (as stated by Kondo himself) Hayazaki : 2-08 (straight from 3D Land, sounds like her style) 2-16 (straight from 3D Land, composer credit from the 3D Land piano covers) 2-18 (straight from New Super Mario Bros., composer credit from SUPER MARIO Series for Guitar - SUPER BEST) ??? : 1-27 (kinda sounds like Yokota but I'm not sure about it at all) 2-31 (this one is troubling, the first two jingles sounds very Yokota-ish but I think the 3rd sounds more like Iwata) 2-35 (could be Gohara like the Throwback Galaxy arrangement he did for Galaxy 2 but I think it could also be Iwata) Oh and apparently, Yokota himself confirmed on his facebook he composed 1-28 Double Cherry Pass ( https://imgur.com/a/UsUUUyB , found it on this page https://nintendo.fandom.com/wiki/Mahito_Yokota ). I wonder if he'd be ok to give us more credits for this game (and, I'm probably dreaming but, more credits for Skyward Sword would also be wonderful). So there it is, if you want to discuss my guesses, you are welcome ! |
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(Disclaimer: this is mostly speculative)
I have been looking into the sound files of 3D World and I have found something rather interesting with the way the music tracks are named. Here is a rundown of the file names corresponding with the tracks in both CDs (keep in mind that I couldn't find all of the tracks); for the sake of brevity, I will omit the .32.dspadpcm.bfstm or .bfstm at the end of each file name: (2021 Edit: I managed to find some more files on the Switch version, indicated with (*), although they don't clarify much in terms of who was involved) Spoiler:
My belief is that there is an indicative of the composer in charge of each track at the end of each of the tracks of the format Redc_bgm_*; so the breakdown based on this could be something like: .my = Mahito Yokota: 1.02-10, 1.12-13, 1.19, 1.24, 1.28, 1.30-31, 1.34-36, 2.04, 2.06-07, 2.10, 2.14, 2.16*, 2.20, 2.23-25, 2.28-30, 2.32, 2.33*, 2.38 (plus 2.39 as confirmed) .g = Toru Minegishi: 1.17-18, 1.20-21, 1.22 (?), 1.23, 1.25-26, 1.32-33, 1.37-38, 2.05, 2.09, 2.13, 2.15, 2.17, 2.19, 2.21-22, 2.26, 2.35 .yi = Yasuaki Iwata: 1.27, 2.02-03, 2.31 .k = Koji Kondo: 1.14 (plus 2.12 as confirmed) Unknown: 1.01, 1.11, 1.15-16, 1.29, 2.01, 2.08, 2.11, 2.27, 2.34, 2.36-37 (apparently some of these tracks are implemented / programmed in a different way, since they have a different naming convention) * - These tracks are taken straight from 3D Land, so the credit may just be for their implementation in 3D World. Listening to the tracks back to back with this composer attribution makes it somehow believable for me, but what do you guys think? As a matter of fact, I have noticed that a lot of Nintendo EAD / EPD games (New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Pikmin 3, Wind Waker HD, etc.) have similar naming conventions for their music files, so it makes me wonder if we could figure out who composed what based on that for other games (although unfortunately this naming convention is not universal and some of the tracks across those all of these titles have completely different formatting that doesn't seem to indicate any composer, but at least it would be something worth looking at with the ones that do). Last edited by RBM95; Feb 15, 2021 at 08:15 AM. |
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I already had some hesitation between Yokota and Minegishi for some of the music (like 1-25 or 1-32 for example), but I'm really surprised by tracks like 1.37, 2.05 and 2.15 attributed to Minegishi since it's the first time we hear him using live orchestra ! (Now I want him return to the Zelda series and use a live orchestra, just imagine what a soundtrack like Twilight Princess might sound like with real instruments !) If all of this is true, Minegishi really did a fantastic job ! I already love what he did for the Zelda and Splatoon series but this could make him one of my favorite Nintendo composers (along with Yokota and Nagamatsu). Perhaps asking Yotoka composition credits for some of the tracks (including some he didn't do) would confirm all of this ! Quote:
New Super Mario Bros. Wii should be easy to confirm since we already have more that 15 tracks credited to Nagata, Fujii and Nagamatsu. I'm also really interested to know about Wakai, Asahi and Hayazaki's involvement with Pikmin 3 and Wind Waker HD soundtracks. (Also my dream would be a composer breakdown for Skyward Sword and ARMS but I guess we'll perhaps never get this...) |
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Regarding Skyward Sword and ARMS, I looked into those and unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anything indicating composers at first glance (the Skyward Sword music file names are a bunch of numbers and letters that don't make much sense at first lol). |
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But that's very cool of you to have shared your findings with us ! Super Mario 3D World is one of my top wanted composers breakdown (even if we're not 100% sure about what you found, it's already a huge finding to me). And regarding Skyward Sword, let's hope that a future re-release of it will bring us a CD release of its soundtrack (or at least part of it, like with Twilight Princess) ! For ARMS I think I will keep my hopes very very low... |
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