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Organising soundtrack data
Hey guys
I am in the process of encoding my entire collection in iTunes, using Apple Lossless Format. I have reached a dilemma though: I want to have the most complete and accurate information in each of these 3 fields (Track title, artist, and album title). Under "Artist", what would you guys put where a track has been credited as having both a composer AND arranger? Would you put down the COMPOSER, or the ARRANGER as being the artist, or BOTH? And also, where a performing artist is concerned (For example Mary Elizabeth McGlynn on numerous Akira Yamaoka tracks), would you bother mentioning him/her in the track title or artist? And if so, how? (Eg: O.R.T. feat. Mary Elizabeth McGlynn) lol, I know this all sounds really obsessive, but I'm just curious as to what others have done Thanks for your inputs! |
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Sup, darkthunder84. KeyLogic understands your desire to have "perfect organization" of your music collection. KeyLogic shall share some of his thoughts.
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what i do probably varies from the convention a bit.
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in both these circumstances, i also try and avoid using more than one name in the artist field (it buggers with Last FM.) else I might do what you've done and credit both composers and arrangers.
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Both ID3v2 and Vorbis comment (native tagging format for MP3 and Ogg Vorbis / FLAC respectively) have multiple tags to store such information. That's how I do it:
<Performer tag> Contains vocalists, chorus performers, instrument performers and so on in multiline format <Composer tag> Contains composer (!) information under the condition that arranger information exists, also the lyricist info and possibly who translated the lyrics is found here -- again in multiline style <Artist tag> Contains arranger information if both composer and arranger info are known (even if both are the same). If that's not the case then the composer is entered here. So if the booklet only provides composer info then this ends up here Example: Take track 03 from Kanon OST (http://vgmdb.net/album/543) <Artist tag> Kazuya Takase (I've) <Composer tag> Key / Jun Maeda (Music and Lyrics) <Performer tag> Ayana (Vocals) Last edited by LiquidAcid; Aug 5, 2010 at 01:51 AM. |
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I tag my music case by case, depending on the significance of things.
Like, composer vs arranger, Blitz Lunar said it well with the EVO and Akihabara Electric Circus examples. If I feel like the arrangement is significant enough, I'll use the arranger, otherwise I use the composer. And only time I use performer as artist is when it's a singer. As in, the cases of Silent Hill stuff for example. I never use any kind of symphony orchestra performer in artist field. I used to use "composer & singer" combo before, but that made my artist database in whatever media player I was using at the time very messy, very fast.
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I always, always put the original composer in the artist field.
If there is an arranger, like Lunar I look at the content. If the arrangement is a significant reworking of the original material, such as in FFX, I tag the artist field with the arranger first, comma, then composer. Whereas if it's more like a traditional arrangement (such as for a new game or for live performance, i.e. piano, orchestra, etc.), composer comes first, following by "arr. arranger's name" as is standard when reading sheet music. For example... Final Fantasy X - The Sight of Spira looks like... Quote:
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I NEVER put the performer, vocalist or otherwise, in the artist field. That information gets put in the comments section for me. I rarely fill out the "original composed by" part since I always have the original composer in the artist field. The reason is, that's the first thing one sees for credit for an audio file, and to me it's important for the original composer to always be visible even if it's an arrangement. I even do this with classical music where it's far more traditional to fill the artist field with the performer (i.e., Warsaw Philharmoic Orchestra and Chorus, North Texas Wind Ensemble, Gothenburg Brass Band, Walter Gieseking, etc.) One credit that I will typically ignore is orchestrator when I feel that the orchestration itself is merely the adaptation of material that is already "orchestrated". Like, if someone were to take an orchestral MIDI and transcribe it note by note to paper, I would not list that person as an arranger. If, on the other hand, it's like Hamaguchi's arrangements for the FF piano collections or orchestra albums, he would be listed as arranger because there is clearly added/modified material from the original composition. So, yeah. In some form or another, the composer always ends up somewhere in the artist tag on my files.
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From the ID3v2.4 specifications:
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4.2.2. Involved persons frames TPE1 The 'Lead artist/Lead performer/Soloist/Performing group' is used for the main artist. TPE2 The 'Band/Orchestra/Accompaniment' frame is used for additional information about the performers in the recording. TPE3 The 'Conductor' frame is used for the name of the conductor. TPE4 The 'Interpreted, remixed, or otherwise modified by' frame contains more information about the people behind a remix and similar interpretations of another existing piece. TOPE The 'Original artist/performer' frame is intended for the performer of the original recording, if for example the music in the file should be a cover of a previously released song. TEXT The 'Lyricist/Text writer' frame is intended for the writer of the text or lyrics in the recording. TOLY The 'Original lyricist/text writer' frame is intended for the text writer of the original recording, if for example the music in the file should be a cover of a previously released song. TCOM The 'Composer' frame is intended for the name of the composer. TMCL The 'Musician credits list' is intended as a mapping between instruments and the musician that played it. Every odd field is an instrument and every even is an artist or a comma delimited list of artists. TIPL The 'Involved people list' is very similar to the musician credits list, but maps between functions, like producer, and names. TENC The 'Encoded by' frame contains the name of the person or organisation that encoded the audio file. This field may contain a copyright message, if the audio file also is copyrighted by the encoder. http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/doc/v-comment.html |
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Thanks guys, I really appreciate your ideas! It seems that this is not the sort of thing that will have a strong consensus... It really all seems to boil down to personal taste.
Personally I'm drawn to keeping things as simple as possible, to avoid a very messy database as Mika suggests! I tend to agree with tagging the singer as the artist, since this is consistent with tagging the singer or band of an album in the artist field (All my music, both vgm soundtrack and artist album are all together in one database, so I don't want to have one rule for soundtracks and another for albums). So with the Silent Hill soundtracks I will tag Mary Elizabeth McGlynn as the artist for the applicable songs. Akira Yamaoka will still show up in the composer field, but I keep that field hidden for simplicity and aesthetic I also think it seems more appropriate to tag the arranger as the artist. Again, for me it is about keeping things simple. When I am looking at my music in iTunes, I would like to easily see who made the music sound exactly the way it does (without getting too technical), not who wrote the very first (and different sounding) version of that song. Simply put, I feel the arranger is very much like a performing artist (singer) but without the words. So if I am going to tag a singer in the artist field (and not the composer), I should also tag the arranger (and not the composer), otherwise I would be inconsistent. So that's how I've decided to go about my database- By tagging the arranger (where applicable) as the artist instead of the composer, and by tagging the singer as the artist again instead of the composer This is the simplest, and most consistent way I feel it can be done, without creating a complex and messy database full of ,'s and /'s |
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Just to expand on my points a bit further:
When a singer covers a song on their album, for instance, Madonna's version of "American Pie", it seems completely logical to say that Madonna is the "artist". That's how I think of an arranged track on a soundtrack - a cover version of another song. Anyway, now I'm beginning to rant |
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We might want to consider expanding our creditable roles while taking the ID3v2.4 spec into consideration.
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I always put composer only under the composer tag. For artist, I put arranger and or performer. Sometimes, if one performer (or group) does an entire album, I'll put them under 'album artist' and leave arranger to the artist tag and composer to the composer tag.
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