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Old Sep 20, 2019, 01:26 PM
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Disc 1: Goat Herding, Tutorial, Boss Battle #1 (First Half), Middle Boss Battle #1, Boss Battle #1 (Second Half), Battle (Twilight)
Disc 2: Agitha's Castle, Middle Boss Battle #4, Boss Battle #4, Snowboarding, Trailer Theme (Hyrule Field) ~Alternate Take~
Disc 3: Fish On!, Fish Catch, Mini Game Victory, Iza's Rapid Ride, Zelda's Theme (arrangement)
Where do those credits come from? I honestly feel that pretty much all of those tracks are Minegishi's (based on instrumentation / style / leitmotifs shared with other songs / etc.), although Snowboarding and Iza's Rapid Ride might be indeed Ohta due to how different they sound (and of course Zelda's Theme is hers as well as confirmed by the Sound Selection). Some of those boss battle themes in particular feel too much "important" for them not to be handled by the main composer. But again, this is just my opinion.

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I honestly have no idea where did VGMO get the information that Asuka Ohta did battle themes, but in my honest opinion all (or most) battle music sounds much more like Minegishi's style; he mentions a bit about his involvement in battle music here
A friend and I have tried pretty hard to figure out where that VGMO info came from, because we also think it's incorrect, but we've come up empty.

Our best guess is that the bio writer was like, "if Minegishi did the field and dungeon themes, then Ohta must've done the other music"
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Old Sep 21, 2019, 12:42 AM
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Where do those credits come from? I honestly feel that pretty much all of those tracks are Minegishi's (based on instrumentation / style / leitmotifs shared with other songs / etc.), although Snowboarding and Iza's Rapid Ride might be indeed Ohta due to how different they sound (and of course Zelda's Theme is hers as well as confirmed by the Sound Selection). Some of those boss battle themes in particular feel too much "important" for them not to be handled by the main composer. But again, this is just my opinion.
I don't know where the credits came from to be honest. Maybe a wikipedia or so (I know they aren't always reliable sources).

But yeah, those credits aren't so far-fetched I think. I mean, Twilight Princess was obviously Minegishi's baby to handle in terms of lead composing, so it would be only natural to give at least some tracks to his co-composers, like some of the battle themes.
And as these are the first boss themes, they're not as intriguing and complex as the latter ones, so it may be correct that it was Hayazaki's job to handle the first ones. Probably Minegishi was busy handling the bulk of the soundtrack and focus on the
dramatic music and main themes, while leaving the earlier battle themes and more simple stuff to Hayazaki.

Middle Boss Battle #1 (against Ook), which has a very different sound than the rest of the battle music with its tribal / eastern vibe (reminds me a bit of Yoshino Aoki or Miki Higashino's works for Breath of Fire / Suikoden) to be honest.

Boss Battle #1 (First Half) sounds like a reference to past Zelda boss battle themes like for Ocarina of Time ("Dinosaur Boss Battle", "Boss Battle") or Majora's Mask ("Boss Battle") with its hard piano chords and string motifs.
It's like Minegishi told Hayazaki "compose the first boss theme to make it sound like this and this from this" so that Zelda fans are greeted by a familiar sound

Boss Battle #4 makes direct reference to "Dinosaur Boss Battle" from Ocarina of Time mixing into "Boss Battle #1", so another Kondo reference here (like she did back in Four Swords Adventures)

Boss Battle #1 (Second Half) mixes the Ook theme from "Middle Boss Battle #1" within so it makes sense, even if it sounds slightly more upgraded and more complex like Minegishi's work. Pretty hard to guess... maybe they teamed up for this?

Middle Boss Battle #4 is exactly like "Middle Boss Battle #1", it has very distinct different feeling like the rest, more eastern sounding, and overall softer.

Battle (Twilight) yeah why not? I mean didn't she say she composed music for Link and Midna? While not the battle theme for Twilight Realm? It's also pretty simple and could also be ordered by Minegishi to compose a piece with a electronic focus
(also the chords sound similar to "Middle Boss Battle #4") and overall it's another piece which sticks out from the rest

All in all are all battle themes attributed to Hayazaki more softer and elegant sounding than Minegishi's. Hard to describe... maybe I sense a kind of feminism hahaha

Tutorial is simple enough and also features this kind of elegant and soft composition which reminds me again of Aoki or Higashino (especially the flute)

Snowboarding should be clear. I think lots of people stated that it definitely sound like her work.

Goat Herding sticks out like "Middle Boss Battle #1". The use of pan flute could indicate for Minegishi first, but I think it's Hayazaki's work

Agitha's Caste & Iza's Rapid Ride see "Tutorial"

Fish On! another Kondo reference ("Battle" from Ocarina of Time)

Fish Catch and Mini Game Victory would fit into the category of her contributions and would make sense, altho they're pretty short to make further decisions

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Old Sep 21, 2019, 02:16 AM
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Definitely good points from your part. At this point I honestly wish Nintendo wasn't so stubborn in not crediting properly their artists, so we could have absolute clearance on their work (some of their recent soundtracks seem to have broken that trend though).
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Old Sep 21, 2019, 03:53 AM
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The Legend of Zelda Concert 2018 has a Boss Battle Theme Medley which contains Boss Battle #1 (Second Half) (along with Majora's Mask Boss Battle theme, Wind Waker's Mini-Boss Battle theme and Skyward Sword's Ghirahim Battle and Moldarach Battle themes) and is credited to Minegishi, Wakai, Fujii and Yokota. So the only one who could have composed it is Minegishi since the others didn't participate to Twilight Princess (except Yokota but only for one of the trailer themes).

Same situation with Boss Battle #2, featured in the Boss Battle Theme Medley on The Legend of Zelda 30th Anniversary Concert. The medley is credited to Kondo, Wakai and Minegishi but Kondo is known to have only participated to one of the trailer songs and the Title Theme, so that leaves Minegishi having composed that theme.

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Koji Kondo's sole contribution is "Teaser Music #2" (Sound Selection only), but strangely I have Michiru Oshima credited to "Teaser Music #1" while on the Sound Selection it is credited to both Kondo (music) and Mahito Yokota (arrange). Anyone can confirm this?
Kondo also participated to the vocal part of the Title Theme as he stated in a promotionnal video for Twilight Princess HD.
Michiru Oshima was the arranger/orchestrator of both the trailer themes. The #2 was composed by Kondo and the #1 was composed/originally arranged by Yokota (since it features Zelda's Lullaby, Kondo is credited as well for composition).

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Middle Boss Battle #1 (against Ook), which is has a very different sound than the rest of the battle music with its tribal / eastern vibe (reminds me a bit of Yoshino Aoki or Miki Higashino's works for Breath of Fire / Suikoden) to be honest.

Boss Battle #1 (First Half) sounds like a reference to past Zelda boss battle themes like for Ocarina of Time ("Dinosaur Boss Battle", "Boss Battle") or Majora's Mask ("Boss Battle") with its hard piano chords and string motifs.
It's like Minegishi told Hayazaki "compose the first boss theme to make it sound like this and this from this" to that Zelda fans are greeted by a familiar sound
Since we know that Minegishi composed Boss Battle #1 (Second Half) and since it features both of these themes, we can at least conclude that Minegishi composed both of them. Hayazaki could have arranged both but I don't think that's the case: Boss Battle #1 (First Half) is 100% Minegishi's style and I think Minegishi is very well capable of doing tribal themes like Middle Boss Battle #1. I mean, him having done Boss Battle #1 (Second Half) is enough of a proof that he can compose tribal-like music.

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Boss Battle #4 makes direct reference to "Dinosaur Boss Battle" from Ocarina of Time mixing into "Boss Battle #1", so another Kondo reference here (like she did back in Four Swords Adventures)
Sounds 200% like Minegishi. And Minegishi also did arrange some of Kondo's previous works in the Zelda series (like the Zora Domain, the Goron Village, etc...). He even used part of the Dinosaur Boss Battle theme in Boss Battle#2 !

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Middle Boss Battle #4 is exactly like "Middle Boss Battle #1", it has very distinct different feeling like the rest, more eastern sounding, and overall softer.
It also sound a lot like Minegishi's work (the violins especially sound like his work in Spirit Tracks).

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Battle (Twilight) yeah why not? I mean didn't she say she composed music for Link and Midna? While not the battle theme for Twilight Realm? It's also pretty simple and could also be ordered by Minegishi to compose a piece with a electronic focus
(also the chords sound similar to "Middle Boss Battle #4") and overall it's another piece which sticks out from the rest
The part begining at 1:18 sounds a lot like Minegishi's orchestration style to me. Also, it has a shared motif with Palace of Twilight and we know that Minegishi was involved with most (if not all) of the dungeon themes.


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Tutorial is simple enough and also features this kind of elegant and soft composition which reminds me again of Aoki or Higashino (especially the flute)
It is a softer version of Hidden Skill Training which sound 100% like Minegishi's work. So Minegishi most likely composed it and Hayazaki could have arranged it but I can also see her having no involvement with this song.

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Snowboarding should be clear. I think lots of people stated that it definitely sound like her work.
I agree.

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Goat Herding sticks out like "Middle Boss Battle #1". The use of pan flute could indicate for Minegishi first, but I think it's Hayazaki's work
That one is really hard, it sound a lot like Minegishi's Spirit Tracks works but I think it could also fit Hayazaki's style.

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Agitha's Caste & Iza's Rapid Ride see "Tutorial"
I agree to say that those two themes are most likely Hayazaki's work.

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Fish On! another Kondo reference ("Battle" from Ocarina of Time)

Fish Catch and Mini Game Victory would fit into the category of her contributions and would make sense, altho they're pretty short to make further decisions
I also think they're Hayazaki's work but I could be wrong.
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Old Sep 21, 2019, 09:44 AM
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Those old SEMO/VGMO bios contain quite a bit of inferred information, so I wouldn't trust them. They were also written 10+ years ago.
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So, in that case, I guess Hayazaki's role was pretty small to minimal in this project, unless someone figures out, what exactly her compositions are. Guess we'll never know.
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Skimmed through my copy of this OST looking for this track and came to the conclusion that it's not there. The regular version is, but not that slower arrangement. Is there anything else missing?
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Hey there, I went through my copy of the soundtrack and noticed the following issues with some track titles here.

1.09. The Japanese track title here was given as チュートリアル Tutorial. However, the correct title (as seen both in the booklet and the back cover) is 腕試し Testing One's Arm, which is the translation in the English (translated) track list here. I went ahead and changed the title to the correct one.

1.38. The English (translated) track title is given as Down the River (Twilight), while the Japanese title is 川上り(トワイライト), more appropriately translated as Up the River (Twilight). In comparison, 3.14 川下り is correctly given as Down the River.

2.03. The English (translated) track title is given as The Fortune-Telling Palace, while the Japanese title is 占いの館 インパレス The Fortune-Telling Palace Inparesu, where Inparesu (Imparess) is Fanadi's Japanese name. Thus, the translated title should be along the lines of The Fortune-Telling Palace, Imparess.

2.14. The English (translated) track title is given as Midna's Lament, identical to the Localized one. While that is the official English title as seen in the Super Smash Bros. Series, the translation of the Japanese title 傷だらけのミドナ would be more along the lines of Midna, Riddled with Wounds.

3.03. The English (translated) track title is given as Mysterious Skill. 奥義 would be more accurately translated here as Secret Technique, with the full title 奥義習得 Secret Technique Acquisition (the current translation ignores the 習得 acquisition part).

3.04. See above, Secret Technique Acquisition Success.

3.13. The English (translated) track title is given as Plumm's Mini-Game. As far as I can see, no other translated track name uses localized names, especially not when they're different from the Japanese ones, so the title should probably be the literal translation スモモちゃんゲーム Sumomo-chan Game or Sumomo Game.
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1.09 - 腕 is used figuratively here to mean skill. Would be more like "Trying One's Hand," to use a similar English idiom.
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Oh, that's clear to me. The issue was that the track list had チュートリアル as the track title instead of 腕試し, which I corrected.
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Please take this with a huge grain of salt, but I think I just found a complete composer breakdown for this album. The problem is, I don't know where the information came from and how official it is.

Someone named Ninty1889 uploaded the album on YouTube and listed the composers in the video description of each track (I hope it's okay to link to the playlist here as the information can't really be verified otherwise). Here's the composer breakdown from the video descriptions:

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Asuka Ohta

1-17 Vessel of Light Filled
2-08 After the Carriage Escort
2-18 The Master Sword #1
2-26 Theme of the Sages
2-29 Snow-Sliding
3-14 Iza's Rapid Ride
3-25 Zelda's Theme
3-26 Final Battle #3
3-28 Ending
3-30 Midna's Parting
3-31 Staff Credits Theme #2



Koji Kondo (composer), Mahito Yokota (arrangement), Michiru Oshima (orchestration):

1-02 The Legend of Zelda: Orchestra Piece (Teaser Music) #1



Toru Minegishi:

all tracks not listed above
As the playlist description says, the uploader also included "The Legend of Zelda: Orchestra Piece (Teaser Music) #2" though they specifically mention that it wasn't part of the HD Original Soundtrack but included in the HD Sound Selection. This track's video description credits Koji Kondo as composer and Michiru Oshima for arrangement and orchestration, as does the HD Sound Selection.

The only differences from this composer breakdown to the HD Sound Selection's are that 1-01 "Title Theme" is credited only to Toru Minegishi here (the HD Sound Selection credits Koji Kondo and Toru Minegishi, and Koji Kondo said that he wrote the lyrics for the title theme) and Koji Kondo is not credited for any of the arrangements of music from his earlier games (e.g. "Kakariko Village", "Zelda's Theme", and maybe also "Title Theme").

Usually I'd discount a composer breakdown like this as pure speculation but some of Asuka Ohta's credits in the video descriptions are oddly specific (especially the jingles) and her involvement in the ending music would match up with her comments about her work on the "scene that depicts the heartbreaking relationship between Midna and Link". Also, for me "Final Battle #3" credited to her in this composer breakdown sounds similar in style to "Mini-Boss Battle" from Four Swords Adventures. To be fair, it was never confirmed if the FSA track is hers or Koji Kondo's but the plot thickens. The information doesn't seem to be straight-up copied from VGMdb comments either.

We know that the booklet for this album doesn't have a composer breakdown, but maybe the tracks have CD-Text just like the HD Sound Selection apparently does? If not, then somebody should probably contact Ninty1889 to find out where the composer breakdown came from and then verify the source they give.

Edit: I'll have to look into the orchestral pieces as I found a lot of conflicting information about it. Edit 2: Done for now.

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The playlist description says:
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meaning these just sound like guesses and not anything they've learned.
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Good find. Strangely enough, the uploads are from December 2017 but some (or all?) credits were changed in early 2021 from mentioning all of the game's composers to just one. Can't say if the bit about the tentative composer credits was there when the tracks were originally uploaded. I think that the individual video descriptions should say these credits are educated guesses as the playlist comment about their tentative state is very easy to overlook (at least I didn't see it).

By looking into the changes in the video descriptions, I also found that the uploader is a VGMdb member who does a lot of research on Nintendo composers. As they usually post their findings on the VGMdb board but haven't done so with this composer breakdown, it really seems these are educated guesses. Some of which I could see as spot-on. Maybe the person in question could speak up here or at least clarify their descriptions on YouTube some more to prevent the tentative credits from being spread as fact.
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He did also uploads and composer breakdowns for Super Mario World 3D and Link's Awakening (Switch/GB), so if they're indeed official, we could add them up in the discussion thread.
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He did also uploads and composer breakdowns for Super Mario World 3D and Link's Awakening (Switch/GB), so if they're indeed official, we could add them up in the discussion thread.
We already have full confirmed credits for Link's Awakening from the liner notes of the album.
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Anyone notice that Snowpeak Ruins was extended here with strings backing the main melody? I don't think this was in the game. Same as with the bass in Dragon Roost Island (Wind Waker).
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I was analyzing the .bms files and found that, while most tracks use instrument bank 11, and sometimes 13 as well, some tracks exclusively use bank 12. These include Snow-Sliding, Iza's Rapid Ride, Our Children Taken, and Fortune Telling. I believe these are Ohta's tracks.

I haven't gone through each track to see what banks they use, though.
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Is there a reason Tablier Communications is not a publisher for this album?

We have given them the publisher role for these other game soundtracks:
https://vgmdb.net/album/53815
https://vgmdb.net/album/49947
https://vgmdb.net/album/37510
https://vgmdb.net/album/49948
https://vgmdb.net/album/71044
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