VGMdb
Go Back   VGMdb Forums > Discussion > Video Game Music Discussion > Album Discussions
Register FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old Jan 5, 2016, 09:16 PM
LuxKiller65's Avatar
LuxKiller65 LuxKiller65 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Spaceport Alpha
Posts: 1,260

Any major differences between this album and the original print?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old Aug 3, 2020, 06:20 AM
ShinHarmony ShinHarmony is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2020
Posts: 101
Default

I would also like to know the same thing now 4 years later Does anyone know if the sound quality is different than on the original print?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old Jan 21, 2021, 06:45 PM
newyokohama newyokohama is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Posts: 9
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinHarmony View Post
I would also like to know the same thing now 4 years later Does anyone know if the sound quality is different than on the original print?
The songs definitely sound more full. In that not only are the louder and more clean, but I can also tell that the new disc here definitely uses some different drum kits. It sounds less "rave", I think.

While this release is definitely louder, it sounds more "compressed" also. I think I might prefer the dynamics of the original.

EDIT: http://newyokohama.thefacebook.us/f-a.mp3

First track is the 1992 release, second is the 2014 release

Last edited by newyokohama; Jan 21, 2021 at 06:52 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old Jul 20, 2022, 07:22 PM
LuxKiller65's Avatar
LuxKiller65 LuxKiller65 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Spaceport Alpha
Posts: 1,260
Default

Hey thanks, I can't believe I missed your reply. Is this a loudness thing, like we've seen happening in other recent re-releases/re-recordings? I have doubts this is really a re-recording, possibly just tweaked. Just saying, I'm not a sound expert.

I would also tend to agree that the old track sounds better. I also swear the new track is slower...?
__________________
my sales gallery / my youtube channel
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old Jul 20, 2022, 08:11 PM
KAI's Avatar
KAI KAI is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Argentina
Posts: 286
Default

The old release used master recording, like most of the namco era sampling masters' stuff, this is recorded directly from the pcb.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old Jul 24, 2022, 01:18 PM
_if's Avatar
_if _if is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 379
Default

I'm not gonna go through every track to compare, but I just loaded up "RAVE WAR" from the old and new CDs to compare and the old version is indeed faster, covering the same music in 3:07.728 as the new CD does in about 3:15.758, for a difference of a little over 4%. The old version is only about 2 dB quieter and I would agree that the newer one sounds fuller. It makes sense to me that the difference is primarily between the tracks recorded from the arcade PCB for the new CD compared to the old CD being taken from the composers' PCs or whatever. But I like the way that the tracks flow together on the old CD.

Last edited by _if; Jul 24, 2022 at 01:22 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old Jul 24, 2022, 09:24 PM
LuxKiller65's Avatar
LuxKiller65 LuxKiller65 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Spaceport Alpha
Posts: 1,260
Default

I'm shocked that the tempo is different. If they recorded from a PCB (if they say so), then the correct speed has got to be on the new release.
__________________
my sales gallery / my youtube channel
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old Jul 24, 2022, 11:46 PM
Aifread's Avatar
Aifread Aifread is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 712
Default

It's not a matter of what is or isn't "correct." One is the original master, one is the final version that was programmed onto the PCB. We're lucky to have both.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old Jul 24, 2022, 11:55 PM
LuxKiller65's Avatar
LuxKiller65 LuxKiller65 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Spaceport Alpha
Posts: 1,260
Default

Sure, it's just that imagine your favourite movie from 1992 suddenly getting a re-release and you find out it runs a tad slower and it's missing some shots or the colours have been tuned, and it doesn't say anything on the box. I'm fine with it, it's just so obscure and secret. also, unless it says so somewhere, i think the "original master" vs. "pcb recording" is just an assumption

That is, unless it's all explained in the booklet in Japanese. But somehow all there seems to be is a tracklist and some comments.
__________________
my sales gallery / my youtube channel
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old Jul 25, 2022, 12:47 AM
Aifread's Avatar
Aifread Aifread is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 712
Default

It's not really an assumption. We know the newer ones are PCB recordings because they sound identical to the in-game audio. The others are master recordings because they make use of uncompressed samples that wouldn't be recoverable from the PCB.

The SuperSweep albums also advertise on both their webpages and their obis that they're re-recordings of the original BGM. As for the older master recordings, Hosoe spelled out the process pretty clearly on page 27 of the massive 40-page liner notes from Namco Game Sound Express vol. 4. That's what I have on-hand but I wouldn't be surprised if it was mentioned elsewhere in that series. It wasn't uncommon to use original masters like that for soundtrack albums back then (Valken/Cybernator, Syvalion SNES, Wild Arms, Super Mario 64 just to name a few).

Last edited by Aifread; Jul 25, 2022 at 03:41 AM.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
SRIN-1124: Shinji Hosoe WORKS VOL.5 ~Cyber Commando~ LuxKiller65 Album Discussions 25 Aug 4, 2022 05:09 PM
SREX-0020: Shinji Hosoe Works Vol.4 ~F/A~ Special Disc _if Album Discussions 0 Jan 9, 2016 02:37 AM
SRIN-1123: Shinji Hosoe WORKS VOL.4 Alpha ~F/A Remix~ CHz Album Discussions 1 Dec 2, 2014 03:04 PM
SRIN-1115: Shinji Hosoe WORKS Vol.3 DRAGONSABER ckain Album Discussions 3 Jan 1, 2014 01:07 PM
SRIN-1096: Shinji Hosoe WORKS VOL.1 ~DRAGON SPIRIT~ Carl Album Discussions 8 Jun 29, 2013 09:08 AM