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do you give away free osts?
i post music on youtube, but there have been a couple times when someone will ask me if i can send them some tracks. i kindly oblige, but when i see the counter for downloads, i see it's downloaded 6 times or something (from one person?).
one time i didn't get even a 'thank you' afterwards, and another time they ask me to do it a different way because it wasn't truly 'lossless' and could be errors. anyways, it makes me feel used thoughts on this? i think i will have to ignore requests from now on. Last edited by Lao Shan Lung; Jan 7, 2012 at 06:46 PM. |
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I wouldn't ever give away a free ost if someone asked me randomly for it on the internet. I think a free song/track is fine though.
Don't get too down about people being unappreciative on the internet.
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What the fuck man? This site isn't for (illegal) file sharing, you must ignore it, every time.
You kind of seem new to the internetz... Anyone who sends you private messages asking for CD rips (in this case) is an asshole. There are plenty of places where they can get what they want... And you shouldn't be surprised about lack of appreciation, there are many people who really rip music from their own collection, upload the files to many public sites (again, this is all illegal, but nobody can stop it), they may get 10 or less simple thank you replies, and counter is shitting over 1000 downloads - that's pure internet reality. Last edited by Efendija; Jan 11, 2012 at 01:14 AM. |
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Please, forgive me if i don't express myself in proper english, but as you can see it isn't my native language.
I used to share albums in the past, mainly rare/out of print stuff. Nowadays when people direct at me tracks' requests/rips' requests i simply point them... whenever i can... to a website where they might purchase the album, otherwise i tell them something along the lines of: A) Nope, i won't share it. Tough luck, guy. B) Simply ignore them. In the rare cases when they accuse me of rudeness because, well, i didn't bother to give them an answer... I quote this to them: Quote:
Geez, people should get a simple fact craved-into-stone in their minds: "We're dealing with albums/tracks, not pokémons. We aren't supposed to catch 'em all. Accept it as soon as you can and you'll have a better life as music-collector/music-addict." EDIT: About the unappreciative kind of scum, i like to remind the following to them: Quote:
Last edited by ilef; Jan 11, 2012 at 02:53 AM. Reason: Addendum and small corrections |
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so yea i agree with everyone here! better to buy original, hard copies and support the companies who produce these things for us to enjoy. |
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I personally don't condemn piracy, and whilst my previous statement about not really needing to have THAT album still holds some truth to it, there are other things to consider which slightly "justify" piracy, in my humble opinion: - Most obvious reason ~ music isn't getting an official release and if you really want it you have to crack the audio codec/format and illegally rip it off the source. - Region-locked exclusives/Limited edition enclosure ~ the first examples that come to my mind are some Japanese iTunes-only releases.... And different content between the various limited editions.... Or again shortened soundtracks releases which didn't include X tracks because of copyright/licensing issues. Illegal sharing is a problem, but not the biggest one. My only real issue with the whole thing can be found within the users on piracy's receiving-end: they're lucky enough to obtain goodies illegally, for free, and they dare to complain about them not being in the desired quality/format. Oh, well, at least such people is a testament to the fact that i'm not the only scum around, there's a lot of crap between the downloaders, too. Last edited by ilef; Jan 12, 2012 at 06:23 AM. |
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My latest pet peeve is the assholes who use this site to blatantly trade up their digital music collections by buying a cd, ripping it to some lossless format, then immediately reselling it on the marketplace to recoup their cost. it's blatantly obvious who the offenders are and I've sold some CDs to a few people who have received it and then immediately turned around and relisted it for exactly the same price a day later. Disgusting practice, but unfortunately this is the Internet. The only thing I can do is make a concerted effort to not purchase or sell to them.
For what it's worth, I support most major forms of whatever is considered piracy these days. It's the ungrateful, unappreciative and general self entitlement that bothers me. I think it's really a generational thing, people these days who grew up with everything at their fingertips don't really appreciate anything and expect everything to be instant and given to them. It's sad Last edited by dancey; Jan 12, 2012 at 06:34 AM. |
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1) The seller got the money he wanted/requested/etc..., hopefully. What the buyer does with the newly acquired item is none of his/her concern... anymore. 2) The buyer, as the defacto-new owner of the cd can do whatever he/she likes with it... If he/she feels like selling as soon as digital audio/package lossless copies have been made, the decision's up to him/her. No offence is being actually made, in the words of someone else around here which made me see things under a different light: the albums don't have any actual value, their only purpose is to store audio tracks/other kinds of data+occasional information/artwork in the booklets, therefore no one is actually being offended by that kind of practice, more like wanting to feel offended. We... as people/collectors... are the ones to give albums such things as importance, for various reasons, but that doesn't mean they actually are important. Anyway - The company/label got its money 'cause the album had been originally purchased by someone, the seller got the money wanted/requested for the trade, and the buyer ultimately ended with the album he/she wanted... albeit in a different kind of form. Everyone should be happy in the end. There are different kinds of collectors spread around the world, with different needs. Last edited by ilef; Jan 12, 2012 at 07:09 AM. Reason: Misplacement |
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i like to share, but i like people who are grateful and dont take advantage of it. as much as i enjoy the music itself (and i suppose that's what it's ultimately about), the collector in me enjoys having the original disc, artwork, case, etc. so even if i could download something for free, it wouldn't feel like i was getting the "real" thing.
i would still give a copied cd to a friend who maybe didn't want to buy something, but for strangers on the internet, i don't think i can be as accommodating anymore. i'm not new to the internet, but i am a nice person, so sometimes i do things that seems like a nice thing to do, but in the end, get burned. 'cause it's like, i spend my own money to get some of these very nice and rare soundtracks, and i mistakenly believe that this person is the same as me and appreciates it just as much. but they dont. i only started posting music on youtube for about 4 years and in that time, i've only received a few requests. i could never be a hardcore pirate of music, it feels like a hollow practice. the idea of getting hundreds of music files for free simply isn't satisfying. if i like what i hear, i want to buy it for my own amusements so i can look at it as well as hear it. it serves my other senses aside from hearing and feels more complete. to me, music has a visual aspect to it as well as auditory. it's kind of like the connection between taste and smell, but between the sight and sound when it comes to soundtracks. maybe its ok in small amounts, i just dont want piracy to make it entirely unprofitable for a company to release a game soundtrack and thinking it's a waste of time and effort, then we never seem them again and i dont want to be part of the problem. |
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I think the market should change, too. We may have companies which release incomplete and/or poorly mastered albums (believe it or not, i've friends which stopped purchasing VGM because of these reasons.... they became full-fledged pirates).
If piracy will ever bring downfall upon the companies releasing VGM, i won't hide that a part of me will be happy about it....It's not like they deserve to survive. Last edited by ilef; Jan 12, 2012 at 11:28 AM. |
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1) Someone buying a cd from you. 2) Ripping THAT cd into digital /lossless format. 3) Selling the cd afterwards. This is the picture i've got, at least. I personally don't find anything wrong with such habit, but i can relate to the hurt collector. EDIT: Well, it seems my understanding is correct in regards of what he wrote after, i'm too dumb. Last edited by ilef; Jan 12, 2012 at 01:56 PM. |
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Are there many poorly mastered VGM albums? I find the problem is much more often compression used on the original samples (like in late 90s Konami releases), which is not the record company's fault. Most of the time, the mastering doesn't hurt the music too much, I feel. The last exception I can think of was the Symphonic Fantasies album. EDIT: I'll add some of Basiscape's more recent albums to that. The mastering on Muramasa's OST release is a little much. Last edited by Xenofan 29A; Jan 12, 2012 at 02:04 PM. |
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Yeah, and if this is what he means, I can't see how he can possibly have a problem with this because it's less pirating than actual pirating, which he said outright that he supports. I don't know how anyone can say "Yeah I'm good with pirating but spend money on something to rip it? Preposterous!" I doubt Dancey's deleting any rip of the soundtrack he has on his hard drive before selling it, so isn't he doing the same fucking thing anyway?
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As for mastering, well, now I sincerely hope that things got better under that department... but I'd kill for a remaster of the Kessen II Soundtrack... And i'll gladly quote the following user, since i agree completely with him/her: Quote:
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My two cents, but kinda seems like a dick move wasting the seller's time if the buyer just wants a digital copy for 0$ (by instantly reselling at the same price).
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Which also makes no sense because the seller's time wasn't wasted. He sold it and got the money. Couldn't be further from wasted. What, are we only selling stuff now because we have some greater mission to spread VGM only to those who love it in a certain way? Somebody who collects personally-done lossless rips of VGM soundtracks don't count amongst those of us who only save things up physically? Dancey's argument is just really stupid and he's the one that seems like an asshole, that's all.
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I think it is rather convenient that vgm albums can be sold back at around the same price you bought them for. Price-gouging is solely for albums that are decades old and very much oop. This is much better than what I see in the rest of the music industry when it comes to reselling music. A lot of releases that are limited edition (vinyl in particular) are being bought by people and sold at double up to five times the original price within months of the release dates.
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You're all half-right in all the things you posted, but maybe you didn't read my second paragraph edit I made shortly after the post went up. It's the attitude and general demeanor of these people I don't like.
- Does it hurt my "collector penis", as someone put it? Yes, but I don't need a large or better collection than someone to know that I'm better than them. Elitist? Yeah. You can call it that. - Is it good for the market? Yes, unless someone is purposely upselling stuff. - Am I losing money or having my time wasted? No. My general mentality is that I want to be a part of a community that appreciates the music and has some semblance of respect towards the industry and others in the community, as a whole. Do I pirate things? Yes. Do I purchase things? Yes. Do I sell things? Yes. Do I share things with other people? Yes. I just find these people who feel the need to amass large collections of music in this way don't really appreciate the community. They're using the community as a means to their end without ever really giving back. They hardly contribute and quite frankly it feels like I'm being used when that kind of shit happens to me (buying something from me and immediately reselling it) |
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But I myself do understand dancey's point about selling an album to someone who's just gonna use that sweet little album, instead of gently taking care of it. Wouldn't you want your cds to get a nice home, instead of someone who's just gonna dump them on the road after they've had their fun with it? And I do share music that I've bought with people, mostly with people I do talk with or know somewhat, I hate getting random requests out of the blue (thankfully I haven't gotten so much, pro's of having somewhat 'standard' collection!), especially if they're just trying to get some 'rarer' stuff in some other format than oh-so glorious mp3. But for people like that, I tend to be polite and shove them under a moving train with my replies. And forward those pm's onwards.
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if you keep the lossless for you, it's not piracy (I reach what raz has said in his first paragraph)
but if you share that lossless with people for free, it's piracy (it's not as if piracy was something new, after pirates you will maybe have corsairs ;p) |
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Then you're wrongly informed. If you sell an album, then you're bound to destroy all copies you've made of the album.
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But then, does copy now mean exact copy or copy with chunks of information missing? (I assume it's both.) Reasonable opinion, but if I would start selling something off from my collection, I sure would like to sell it someone who really wants the album and isn't just getting it for small fun. But then, this is a silly subject to even talk about in the end. :P
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Anyway, this is also one of the reasons why the content industry wants to contain the dealing with used game/audio/video/etc. media. Because the content industry has no power to actually enforce deletion of "backup" copies once a media is sold from one person to another. |
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After all, especially with VGM discs, one could easily get more money on the disc. Pay $30, make a copy, get $40 AND be able to still enjoy it? How could anyone concievably say it's not a big deal but bitch that someone get a copy for free where no money exhanged hands at all? Look at it this way -- let's say 5000 copies of a CD are printed (JUST AN EXAMBLE, not meant to resemble any actual number), and then it goes OOP. This means, there are theoretically at most 5000 people who should be allowed to be able to listen to the disc at any one time. If 100 of those make a copy and sell the disc, acording to the logic displayed above there's 5100 people who have the right to listen to it. Now I ask, how is this ok when it's not ok for 200 people to just DL a copy for free? Last edited by TerraEpon; Jan 13, 2012 at 06:44 PM. |
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