LOUDR-1159: World 1-2: Encore

[emuxer]

NNTK...NWTK

[413/0]

No; Joypad secures rights in order for artists to sell their material, while Bandcamp merely provides a platform for artists to sell and distribute material that, in essence, is of their own property. This release in particular I believe is part of Joypad, or perhaps Loudr.

But in all honestly, as I've said before, a doujin is a doujin regardless of "distributor", so it should be labeled as such. There should be an identifier implemented for whenever fanmade releases happen to be licensed.

[Myrkul]

I made that entry, but i am not sure this one was also released by Joypad Records.
If not, then it should be categorized as a Doujin.
Also, the 3 CDs entry should be a Doujin, because i don't think Joypad Records have nothing to do with CD releases.

[GermanSeabass]

Correct. Joypad only released the digital albums (World 1-2, World 1-2: Encore) on Loudr and other marketplaces.

[413/0]

GermanSeabass, would you happen to know if this one happens to have a catalog number, too? JOY-743, perhaps?

I was told that by someone who bought this, but I don't have any source to confirm it.

[GermanSeabass]

LOUDR-1159. Added.

[413/0]

I see, it was released through Loudr, then.

Thanks.

[emuxer]

NNTK...NWTK

[413/0]

I get what you mean, but, as far as Joypad/Loudr goes, by "securing rights", they not only ensure they can sell their material without problems, but also royalties from the sales of whatever album go to the original artist(s).

I agree with you, though; fan arrangements/remixes should be free regardless of anything that could otherwise stimulate a profit. By that same hand, I don't particularly have a problem if they use the "name your own price" provided by Bandcamp, as I've often found myself giving a little after TRULY enjoying what I heard, especially if I end up listening to the whole thing in one sitting.

And yes, this doujin thing should be sorted out ASAP. But as far as I've seen, stuff never gets done around here, so... Dream a little dream.

[GermanSeabass]

Originally Posted by emuxer

Fan arranges with or without secured rights, is still not their own property, is of the composer/game company.

The recordings are technically owned by the artists. The underlying compositions still remain property of the original publisher(s). The problem is that distributing covers/remixes without licenses is illegal, even if it's for free. Remixers and cover artists can either to do it legally/commercially and license it, or, stay underground, go the Bandcamp route, and hope the powers that be don't send cease and desist notices. FFVI Balance and Ruin comes to mind.

Originally Posted by emuxer

P.S. I wish this commercial/doujin/official/endorsed/fan arrange mess would ever be fixed, but that's just a dream and we are all awake.

You and me both. How would you categorize things?

[Ramza]

IMO it's simple: unlicensed doujin is doujin. It's been that way since forever, right? The whole doujin scene would forego any scruples about intellectual property rights.

A licensed arrangement, even if by a "fan," is a horse of a different color. If you want to differentiate them from official releases by the rights-holders (like Square Enix releasing an FF OST), that's fine, but they *also* need to be differentiated from unlicensed arrangements. Sounds like vgmdb just needs to categorize doujin arrangements as licensed vs unlicensed.

[413/0]

Originally Posted by GermanSeabass

The recordings are technically owned by the artists. The underlying compositions still remain property of the original publisher(s). The problem is that distributing covers/remixes without licenses is illegal, even if it's for free. Remixers and cover artists can either to do it legally/commercially and license it, or, stay underground, go the Bandcamp route, and hope the powers that be don't send cease and desist notices. FFVI Balance and Ruin comes to mind.

Regardless of that, which I'm not discounting as understandable, when licensing isn't a particular luxury the arranger/remixer can afford, then the best course of action is to freely distribute the material or postpone it for when licensing can be afforded. This person can clearly make music, so, make money with your own compositions. In the end, if your craft is good, nothing will stop your fans from giving you a few bucks for your hard work.

Originally Posted by GermanSeabass

You and me both. How would you categorize things?

Truly, it isn't that hard: everything that is fanmade should be categorized as doujin (orange). If licensing happens to be the case, then have something to identify it, like the word "Licensed" or "Official" or any other derivative next to the "Publishing Format". For instance, either word could be added as an option in the second field of the "Release Type" when adding/editing an album. Like I said before, we shouldn't over-complicate this more than it, apparently, already is.