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Awesomeness!
Purchased the first episode today on PSN. Hopefully its a decent bit of fun. Last edited by Boyblunder; Jun 12, 2012 at 06:15 AM. |
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I am relieved to see this being put together, didn't think that they would release this on a disc! The music for these games was pretty good, can't wait for this! One can never have enough Sonic/Sega music!
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idk, I've finished both episodes and music seemed very meh, except few tracks, but that's just me.
And about the games themselves, they are very enjoyable, even if you're not a Sonic fan. Last edited by Efendija; Jun 12, 2012 at 08:03 AM. |
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Music's a joke. Poor sample usage, uninspired composition, and that lack of edge that Nakamura put into his musical work for the first two console Sonics.
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Well I've already finished all levels in episode 1 and I'd have to say the music is uninspired and very average. I will still be buying the soundtrack tho because I am a Sonic fan. Jun Senoue created some excellent tracks for SA 1 & 2, not the same effort or commitment went into this.
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Agreed. I cringed after hearing some of the tunes. That snare sample sounds so forced. "Mad Gear Zone" is kind of cool, though. Haven't given Episode II a proper listen yet, but "Sky Fortress Zone Act 2" is pretty darn catchy.
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While I'm glad to see this released, I must agree with most people here. It had a lot potential, but definitely lost focus and lacks a LOT of substance (seriously, Last boss themes of barely 10secs?). Haven't heard episode 2 yet, so I'm hoping it will improve a little.
I'm just surprised Jun Senoue couldn't get to/didn't want to develop a better sounding synth. His works on Sonic 3D Blast sounded much better (unless someone else programmed them for him) TL;DR: Probably will pick it later, but mostly for the sake of completeness. |
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I think the Episode 2 music is even worse...
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Masaru Setsumaru.
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Both episodes are dope in terms of old school gameplay+awesome visual update. Music is kinda generic, but fitting.
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Kinda expecting it.
Why not bringing him in, or maybe Hataya (like in Generations), and let them take that role? It would have been much more decent if that were the case... |
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They both still work for SEGA too.
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For some inane reason, they thought Jun had more of what it would take to do the perfect retro Sonic soundtrack. I still think they should have brought in Masaru Setsumaru or Mariko Nanba. Or, hell, Naofumi Hataya.
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Slightly off topic, but SEGA is really misusing Tatsuyuki Maeda. He did an unknown number of S3&K songs, and half of Sonic 3D Blast. (Sonic Advance 1-3 as well) Very underrated, but he's always put on sound editor/SFX roles at best, nowadays. "/
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Looking forward to this. I will probably get this, but mostly for the retro-factor of these tunes (and the lack of proper releases for the remaining "real" Genesis/Mega Drive-soundtracks) but not because of the musical quality. So far I only know the soundtrack for Episode I anyway, and while there a few tunes I like, it's still nothing in comparison to the classics. For my taste, Jun Senoue's composition are way too "harmless" for a Sonic game. I remember when I first got a gamerip for Sonic 3D-Blast with a composer breakdown it turned out that all my favourites where the ones by the co-composers, while the ones by Senoue were pretty alright, but nothing special. I always assumed SEGA use him that heavily because he's probably a great guy and easy to work with. xD
Well, nevertheless I'm looking forward to this release. (Sure would love to see Sonic 3D Blast... I'm somewhat surprised that this didn't got a release last year since both Senoue and Jaques are involved in the (two different) game OSTs and they are both still working for SEGA - and isn't Senoue also involved with Wavemaster? But whatever...) |
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Wouldn't Jaques be freelance, though? And yes, Jun is in charge of all Sonic related releases from Wave Master, as he told me on Twitter once.
FPI: Wouldn't you agree Tatsuyuki Maeda had the best songs from Sonic 3D, and he should be used more? I don't think he has made a major contribution to any game since 2004's Sonic Advance 3. Shame. |
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It's not like Jun's compositions are that bad (at least in episode 1), they're kind of decent, and a few actually good. But if they only had Setsumaru or Hataya come in and do the synth programming, I'm sure it would be one hell of an improvement. I know it can be done.
Or hell, just let Hataya do everything, for f*ck's sake. I keep dreaming of the day that Hataya will get to fully score a big Sonic game again. Hell, he's barely been in any main composition role since the early 2000s (some exceptions here and there, but still rather minor). Quote:
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Yes, I couldn't have said it better. Great tunes!
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Worst?????Don't spell more babbels the Metal Sonic's Theme kicks all the Episode I musics -.-
Last edited by Yagami; Jun 18, 2012 at 12:52 AM. |
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Can someone please tell me which tracks belong to which game?
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Having played only Episode I, I'd say that 34~53 belong to it, with the rest being Episode II's material... apart from the Splash Hill Zone Medley. The two titles probably share stuff like Invincible/Super Sonic themes, but that's just my guess.
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1-29 are Episode 2, 30-33 are Episode Metal (Episode 1.5) and 34-53 are Episode 1, with 54 just being different compositions of Splash Hill Zone medleyed into one song. No idea why it goes in reverse.
I should have booklet scans up by about Wednesday or so, since that's when my main computer should be back. |
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I tried putting the CD Japan
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=WWCE-31279 but with the space limit for the links its just missed the number 9. Is there a way to fix this? Thank You. |
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I fixed it, but the size limit for the lines is a much higher number of characters than in that link. I don't know why you had a problem with it.
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Neither I know lol
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Seriously, I wish I could pull this off, any time I give my thoughts on a soundtrack I think negatively of, everyone's like "oh my goodness Hellacia it's so sad you can't appreciate good ART". Yeah I'm pretty much just whining right now but wtf. |
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Hellacia, I agree there are some similarities here. Both of you expressed negative and savage opinions about soundtracks you didn't like. Both of you justified it in a carefree 'opinion passed off as fact' way. Both of you didn't really consider alternative opinions in the process.
But there are two key differences. One, the way you justified your opinion showed a plain lack of knowledge (e.g. use of note, discordance, etc.) even though you tried to bring a technical analysis to the picture. Two, some of your statements were sometimes personally offensive (e.g. the Down Syndrome part). In combination, you basically implied the composer was an idiot, when in fact you just couldn't understand him. Your opinion is your own. I write positive and negative opinions all the time, some of them not in accord with the general populace. It's absolutely fine that you also wanted to express that you don't think much of a popular soundtrack. But if you make inaccurate statements or call people stupid, I think it's absolutely fair that you are called up on it and have your own knowledge questioned. I did that just last night when Kaleb.G called everyone idiots when he, in fact, had a gap in his knowledge. In the end, nobody is 'stupid' here -- not you, not me, not Jorm, not Hamauzu. Everyone's experiences and perception of music is different, and no soundtrack will be liked by everyone. It should also absolutely not be a prerequisite to have technical knowledge of music to express an opinion -- formal or casual. Everyone's level of knowledge differs and it's not necessary to distinguish a note from a chord to sincerely enjoy music. My recommendation: Stop thinking you're being persecuted. Suck it up and move on. |
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I disagree, Hellacia. Cynicism and mean comments are very acceptable on newer game music. Sega should have never released this game or soundtrack.
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First: it's not just SaGa Frontier II, it's Soukaigi.
Second: I used "note" when I should have used "chord" and I know the difference and admitted to the mistake, but here's some funny info: nobody noticed that I used the term "chord" earlier in that same post, so I obviously know the terminology and just whiffed on it later on, it can happen. Hilariously enough, it's in the part you referenced in your own post. Quote:
Third: discordance is not even a technical term. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discord Quote:
I didn't imply he was an idiot, I have no idea where you even got that because I love Hamauzu, read my post in the Chocobo no Fushigina Dungeon thread. You walked directly into what I said in my post in this thread, about people saying things like "how can you criticize another composer's work like that", "how can you know how inspired a composer was", "you can't appreciate good ART", and yet you seem to have no problem with the following statements: Funny, I don't see anyone telling DragoonEnRegalia he "just couldn't understand" the composer. Also, music's a "joke"? Wow, I didn't even call SaGa Frontier II's music a "joke". Quote:
btw Chris: this isn't a rant against you, you're wrong about the discordance thing but other than that I don't have anything against you. And also I have nothing against DragoonEnRegalia, he's probably right, this soundtrack is probably a joke. I guess I'm just jealous that he can get away with saying something outright offensive and yet when I call a soundtrack "shit" (which, let's face it, is ABSOLUTELY the same thing, it's using a derogatory offensive term with no tact whatsoever) I just get called a troll. I guess people don't know how to deal with someone else's opinion conflicting with theirs. You may not believe this, but I am way better at this then... well, pretty much all of you. Quote:
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I NEVER FUCKING RESPONDED TO HIM BECAUSE I DON'T CARE ABOUT HIS OPINION, it's his and he's entitled to it and I'm glad he dislikes it because that makes all the people that do like it that much cooler and more appreciable. If everyone liked the same stuff, life would be no fun right? Then seriously, learn to accept it when someone comes in and talks some major shit about your favorite soundtrack. Read it and say "I think you're totally wrong, this soundtrack is awesome, it's one of my favorites, I enjoy every song." Give me one quote where I bashed someone for saying something like that in a thread I posted negative comments in. I dare you to, because you can't, because I DON'T DO IT, because I respect when people give their honest opinion, like I respected phonograph's. What I can't respect is when I give my honest opinion, and people rage at me. Grow the fuck up, seriously. EDIT: Chris, just fyi, the word "stupid" doesn't appear in the entirety of the SaGa Frontier II discussion, in anyone's posts, not just mine. So, I don't even know why you're TALKING ABOUT calling people "stupid", I don't call people stupid. I call music all sorts of bad if I don't enjoy it, but I don't call people stupid because I don't think they're stupid whether they wrote music I thought was bad or not. Between that and "implying Hamauzu's an idiot", I'm starting to wonder if you're even reading my posts, or if you're just doing what everyone else does and picking out the parts you can argue against while missing the big picture because you don't like the point of view I expressed because it doesn't agree with your own. Seriously, I really don't think you read my posts. Last edited by Hellacia; Oct 1, 2012 at 11:18 PM. |
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I don't have time to write a fully-fledged argument. I didn't in the previous post either, hence possibly some confusion. But I'll write some comments and clarifications:
1) Definition of discordance / Another that says the same. You're correct that dissonance can be used instead though. 2) You're right that I haven't read each and every one of your posts. I only lurk in these boards. I also realize that you don't think Masashi Hamauzu is an idiot overall, but you basically implied he was when writing SaGa Frontier II. 3) I never said I like Leon's post, just that it didn't contain anything that personally disrespected the composer or indicated lack of technical appreciation. 5) The statement about 'stupid' was me saying that, while I don't think you have a complete knowledge about the technicalities of music (which I clarified isn't a bad thing, and who is?), I don't think you're stupid. And I realize you know what a chord is, but maybe haven't experienced much Impressionist or Minimalist music. 6) That said, you are horrible at arguing. As soon as somebody says something you disagree with, you believe you're persecuted, start making inflammatory statements, and curse everywhere. Same in the SaGa Frontier II thread. 7) I do agree that people should chill out and take things easy. It can be nice to have light-hearted discussions too. But you're the one who is getting angry. 8) I have nothing personally against you either, Hellacia, and hope you will continue to offer your honest opinions on these boards. Last edited by Chris; Oct 2, 2012 at 01:04 AM. |
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