SSCX-10012: FINAL FANTASY VII Reunion Tracks

[seanne]

What do we do about the hidden track here. Should we have it in the tracklist? or just make mention of it in the notes?

The piece in question (an instrumental version of One Winged Angel) is actually situated on the first track, before 'Opening Theme ~ Bombing Mission', so you have to rewind from 0:00 to -4:25 to listen to it.

[Secret Squirrel]

I wonder if we should add a special designation for a hidden track, since it's something that's kind of hard to fit into our current structure.

[mrnutz]

Originally Posted by seanne

The piece in question (an instrumental version of One Winged Angel) is actually situated on the first track, before 'Opening Theme ~ Bombing Mission', so you have to rewind from 0:00 to -4:25 to listen to it.

I have never heard of such a thing on a CD... didn't even know it was possible.

[seanne]

Yeah, it's not exactly common practice. I believe this is the only vgm cd known to have such an easter egg track, and I know about perhaps one or two cds all in all. So perhaps it would be sufficient to just leave a note in the notes field about it, detailing how to access it?

[layzee]

Lost Child Original Sound Track from S.S.H Side-A apparently has a hidden track as well (i.e. not listed on official tracklist).

In the case of FFVII-RT, perhaps the hidden track can be noted in the "Notes" section as well as the "Tracklist" section, except make this particular track, track 00. Maybe even make the track time -4:25?

[lockshaw13]

Actually, the SaGa Frontier Original Soundtrack has a hidden track 0, "Theme of Coon", on Disc 3 also.

[seanne]

Originally Posted by layzee

Lost Child Original Sound Track from S.S.H Side-A apparently has a hidden track as well (i.e. not listed on official tracklist).

Interesting. Perhaps someone who owns the album can provide further info?

...except make this particular track, track 00. Maybe even make the track time -4:25?

That seems like the best way to do it. It should be intuitive enough and (together with an explanation in the notes field) should avoid any misunderstandings. Would this be a feasible solution from a tech point of view, SS, Blah?

Originally Posted by lockshaw13

Actually, the SaGa Frontier Original Soundtrack has a hidden track 0, "Theme of Coon", on Disc 3 also.

Ah yes, now that you mention it I remember there was some talk about this over at STC some time ago.

[Lucy]

Does someone know something about the 1st Print of the Reunion-Album? It's a Slipcase, right?

[seanne]

Originally Posted by Lucy

Does someone know something about the 1st Print of the Reunion-Album? It's a Slipcase, right?

I don't think there was any special first print bonus for this album. Maybe a sticker or something similar, but for sure there was no slipcase.

[Lucy]

Chudah sold a copy some time ago with a slipcase. I think we can assume that as the 1st print bonus.
Edit: And now, I don't mean the 1st Print Piano Collections CD.

[seanne]

Well that's a surprise. Could you provide a scan/picture perhaps?

[Lucy]

Actually... no. But maybe Chudah can bring some light into the mystery. After all, she's on VGMdb now.

[Metroid]

This is interesting, can anyone confirm if track 00 or 20 is a part of track 01? If so technically it is track 01, integer index (-04:25) is not common, beyond the standard but it is still acceptable. It is better to make it as track 00 or track 01, leaving it as track 20 does not make any sense since it is not at the end of the CD.

Track 01 index 00 -4:25 to 0:00
Track 01 index 01 0:00 to 3:59

First it is not track 00 since we have the negative minus also we need to rewind the track, second the track would never be read by players since most do not read the minus indexed integer, but still the track is there.

So it means, track 01 total length time is 8:24.

The right name for the track should be 01 "One-Winged Angel (No Vocals ~ Hidden Track), Opening Theme ~ Bombing" 8:24 or something more specific.

I forgot something, if tracks are divided by indexes then it could be:

01 One-Winged Angel (No Vocals ~ Hidden Track) 4:25
01 Opening Theme ~ Bombing 3:59

Either way is fine.

[seanne]

This is how EAC shows it:



I can't seem to copy the track (using 'copy range') though for some reason. I know it's worked before...maybe my drive is busted...

[Metroid]

Thanks very much seanne for your efforts for providing us the proof we needed. As we can see track 01 length is 8:24 just like I thought it would be. It means that the hidden track is indeed part of track 01 and therefore it should be listed as.

[seanne]

I don't think we've come up with a good way of dealing with hidden tracks as far as tracklists are concerned yet though.

The best thing I can come up with is having it listed as track 00 (or whichever number applies), with a standardized name (i.e, Hidden Track), and having the text be a different color, say red, in order to further show that it's not part of the official tracklist.

[razakin]

Originally Posted by seanne

The best thing I can come up with is having it listed as track 00 (or whichever number applies), with a standardized name (i.e, Hidden Track), and having the text be a different color, say red, in order to further show that it's not part of the official tracklist.

Using track 00 is good, but if we know the trackname for certain, for example in here it's OWA, but an instrumental version so why not name it One-winged Angel (Instrumental) / (Instrumental ~ Hidden Track).

And those pregap/hidden tracks shouldn't be lumped in the first track.

And I wonder if there is possible to make tracklists with track 00 marks.

Too bad that those tracks are time to time bitch to rip, atleast my drive doesn't rip the properly, mp3s are always full of silence.

[Metroid]

It is a pre-gap of track 01, therefore is a part of track 01, making it track 00 will not work out well.

A question to seanne, if you edit the current tracklist and add the hidden track as track 00, will you be able to get the tracklist information of the CD from VGMdb freedb server using EAC?

Now, if you make track 01 8:24 would you be able to get the info of the CD from the VGMdb freedb server using EAC?

These 2 questions will answer what you have to do.

[Metroid]

Quick report, also this is to help people who ripped this CD and are not able to play the hidden track since most players with the built-in cue file will not read it because EAC does not add the hidden track to the cue file to be playable on most players. You must do it manually.

This is just how the cue file is afterwards its EAC creation. Basically it jumps the pre-gap to the index 1. This is a default instance.

REM GENRE Game
REM DATE 1997
REM DISCID 18100213
PERFORMER "Nobuo Uematsu"
TITLE "[SSCX-10012] Final Fantasy VII Reunion Tracks"
FILE "Final Fantasy VII Reunion Tracks - [SSCX-10012] - [1997].wav" WAVE
  TRACK 01 AUDIO
    TITLE "Opening Theme ~ Bombing Mission"
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 04:25:00
  TRACK 02 AUDIO
    TITLE "Cosmo Canyon"
    INDEX 00 08:22:62
    INDEX 01 08:24:25

This is what you must do in order to play the hidden pre-gap track. You just need to create another index.

REM GENRE Game
REM DATE 1997
REM DISCID 18100213
PERFORMER "Nobuo Uematsu"
TITLE "[SSCX-10012] Final Fantasy VII Reunion Tracks"
FILE "Final Fantasy VII Reunion Tracks - [SSCX-10012] - [1997].wav" WAVE
  TRACK 01 AUDIO
    TITLE "Opening Theme ~ Bombing Mission"
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:00:01
    INDEX 02 04:25:00
  TRACK 02 AUDIO
    TITLE "Cosmo Canyon"
    INDEX 00 08:22:62
    INDEX 01 08:24:25

So what is so interesting about it?
EAC does not get the CD info from VGMdb server because basically the tracklist is wrong, Foobar gets the info from VGMdb because it does not read pre-gap tracks. So basically for Foobar the tracklist is right and for EAC is wrong.

How can it be fixed to work on both programs and what is it really right to be done?
That is indeed a good question, I did some tests and I can confirm that when I changed / modified the track 1 to 8:24, EAC worked well, EAC really got the info without any problems from the VGMdb freedb server.

So the question is what should we do?
EAC recognizes track 1 as 8:24 and therefore only gets the info from VGMdb freedb server if VGMdb tracklist is right.

EAC creates a cue file which programs like Foobar or others will not read the pre-gap track even though the cue file is right.

I say make the track 1 8:24, because that is just how the CD is.

I almost forgot, the table of contents.

TOC of the extracted CD

     Track |   Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector 
    ---------------------------------------------------------
        1  |  4:25.00 |  3:59.25 |     19875    |    37824   
        2  |  8:24.25 |  3:36.12 |     37825    |    54036   
        3  | 12:00.37 |  3:33.38 |     54037    |    70049   
        4  | 15:34.00 |  2:52.37 |     70050    |    82986   
        5  | 18:26.37 |  2:15.18 |     82987    |    93129   
        6  | 20:41.55 |  4:02.70 |     93130    |   111349   
        7  | 24:44.50 |  3:53.07 |    111350    |   128831   
        8  | 28:37.57 |  3:11.43 |    128832    |   143199   
        9  | 31:49.25 |  3:52.05 |    143200    |   160604   
       10  | 35:41.30 |  2:47.57 |    160605    |   173186   
       11  | 38:29.12 |  3:44.50 |    173187    |   190036   
       12  | 42:13.62 |  1:59.00 |    190037    |   198961   
       13  | 44:12.62 |  3:38.00 |    198962    |   215311   
       14  | 47:50.62 |  3:34.63 |    215312    |   231424   
       15  | 51:25.50 |  2:46.12 |    231425    |   243886   
       16  | 54:11.62 |  2:35.25 |    243887    |   255536   
       17  | 56:47.12 |  6:28.50 |    255537    |   284686   
       18  | 63:15.62 |  4:26.38 |    284687    |   304674   
       19  | 67:42.25 |  5:01.12 |    304675    |   327261   


Track  1

     Filename C:\Opening ~ Bombing Mission.wav

     Peak level 99.2 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC E33EF678
     Accurately ripped (confidence 4)  [6C6BE609]
     Copy OK

There are 2 choices here:
The first is, leave track 01 as 3:59 and this CD will never work with the EAC VGMdb freedb server.
The second is, set track 01 to 8:24, EAC VGMdb freedb server will work normally with this CD.

We can not have both.

[Gigablah]

There's a way to have both, but we'll need to change the tracks database.

[Metroid]

It would be a good thing having both because we might encounter other cases like this one in the future.

Edit: Also it would be nice to see which CD's have or are in the same situation as this one, like a situation / case match criteria.

[Hellacia]

So, any information on a 1st edition slipcase? I'm kind of wondering what front is supposed to be, since we have a booklet front, and I think this just comes in a jewel case with the front of the booklet serving as the "front image", right? If so, I'm confused as to why these two images are different from each other.

EDIT: Fixed an error in track 7 where the kanji in 蜜蜂 were switched. I also changed the romaji tracklist accordingly, but I don't know if it should be michibachi instead of mitsubachi. I went with mitsubachi just based on what we had originally for this track.

[seanne]

Originally Posted by Hellacia

So, any information on a 1st edition slipcase? I'm kind of wondering what front is supposed to be, since we have a booklet front, and I think this just comes in a jewel case with the front of the booklet serving as the "front image", right? If so, I'm confused as to why these two images are different from each other.

They look different because the front of the booklet uses one of those reflective silver colored surfaces for parts of the meteorite image. The text on the back liner does as well, which is why it comes off as looking black on our scan when it's really silver.

[Hellacia]

Aha, okay. So I guess the iTunes image is the "real" color?

[layzee]

Originally Posted by Lucy

Does someone know something about the 1st Print of the Reunion-Album? It's a Slipcase, right?

Originally Posted by Hellacia

So, any information on a 1st edition slipcase?

In my years of FF VGM hunting, I've never seen it so if it exists, it must be terribly rare. Also searching for スリーブケース (sleeve case) which seems to be what they call slipcases, doesn't turn up results for FFVII Reunion Tracks but does for FFVII Piano Collections and Advent Children OST. Ditto with スリップケース (slipcase).

[Viento]

Originally Posted by layzee

In my years of FF VGM hunting, I've never seen it so if it exists, it must be terribly rare. Also searching for スリーブケース (sleeve case) which seems to be what they call slipcases, doesn't turn up results for FFVII Reunion Tracks but does for FFVII Piano Collections and Advent Children OST. Ditto with スリップケース (slipcase).

I can confirm that the 1st Press bonus was the sticker with the FF7 international logo.

I've just received a Digicube line up catalogue with this information:

https://imgur.com/1LjmLoo


And this is the stikcer:

https://imgur.com/2SnlujA

It also contains information for 1st press bonus from FFVIII, IX and X Piano, FFX OST Fithos Lusec...

[Chris Porter]

So this confirms there was never a version with a sleeve case? Is there anything on the outside of the sealed album indicating that it’s the 1st-Press edition?

Originally Posted by Viento

I can confirm that the 1st Press bonus was the sticker with the FF7 international logo.

I've just received a Digicube line up catalogue with this information:

https://imgur.com/1LjmLoo


And this is the stikcer:

https://imgur.com/2SnlujA

It also contains information for 1st press bonus from FFVIII, IX and X Piano, FFX OST Fithos Lusec...

[student41269]

Originally Posted by Chris Porter

Is there anything on the outside of the sealed album indicating that it’s the 1st-Press edition?

Yes, the obi mentions that it's the first press and includes the sticker.