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Old Aug 3, 2012, 04:57 PM
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Not really have time to check all the scans, but even after 5pb.Inc was absorbed, Mages.Inc hasn't been seen on any scans, but plain "5pb.", so I'll remove this entry (perhaps replace by "5pb.").
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Old Aug 18, 2014, 03:35 PM
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The publisher from the FPBD stem seems pretty convoluted since it's not always clearly credited.
MAGES is now the parent company but it isn't really used?

exs:
FPBD-0081 5pb.Records (p) 2008 5pb.Inc. (c)2008 LASS (jun 2008) [publisher in obi: 5pb.] [logo: 5pb. Records]
FPBD-0158 (c) 2010 5pb. Inc./CYBERFRONT (jul 2010)
FPBD-0176 (c) WillPlus (c) 2003 FlyingShine (c) CYBERFRONT [no logo] [Produced by 5pb. Records] (mar 2011)
FPBD-0177 (c) 2011 5pb. Inc. (apr 2011)
FPBD-0178 (c) 2011 5pb. (jun 2011)
FPBD-0201 (c) 2011 5pb. (sep 2011)
FPBD-0222 (c) 2009-2012 5pb./Nitroplus (may 2012)
FPBD-0263 (c) 2011 Team GrisGris / 5pb.
--- (c) CYBERFRONT/5pb. (dec 2011)
FPBD-0267 (c) 5pb. Games 2011-2013 MAGES./5pb. (sep 2013)
FPBD-0284 (c) 5pb. Games 2011-2014 MAGES./5pb. (mar 2014)
??? (c) 2011 Team GrisGris / MAGES./5pb. (jul 2014)
FVCG-1307 5pb. Records (c) 2014 5pb.
YZPB-5017 5pb. Records (c) 2013 5pb.

FPBD usually uses the logo of "5pb. Games" (+ devs + publishers too).
FVCG/YZPB while use "5pb. Records" instead.

So perhaps the logo is the actual imprint regardless of the parent company.
Since many FPBD are enclosures = 5pb.Games imprint.
Some FPBD go with the 5pb. Records logo = 5pb. Records imprint.
Or maybe just have all linked to 5pb. Records to simplify, it isn't very consistent anyway.
(to be rechecked)
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Old Aug 20, 2014, 08:54 AM
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that won't be wrong to link those FPBD catalogues to 5pb (in the range of its existence)
and to MAGES for the rest

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Old Nov 1, 2014, 08:52 AM
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Let's see if we can make some sense. First, basically the orgs we have currently are correct. To recap:

Companies: 5pb. (+ AG-ONE) > MAGES. (2005/04~2011/06/01~present)
Imprints, called "brands" in their sites (2005/05~2007/11/30~present)
- Game business: Five Games Kid / 5gk. > 5pb.Games
- Music business: Five Records > 5pb.Records

Now the tricky part: records and games by 5pb.Games/Records, just list "5pb." as the publisher (sometimes developer) even now.
> Games: ex, ex
> Records: FVCG, FPBD, YZPB

This all makes me think that:
- "5pb." (legal EN: "5pb. Inc.", legal JP "株式会社5pb.") is the actual, current legal entity that owns the copyrights and wasn't actually terminated in 2011/06 [but I can't find evidence for it].
- OR "5pb." is now the umbrella label, and is the one officially credited.
- MAGES. (legal EN: "MAGES. Inc.", legal JP "株式会社MAGES.") was created from 5pb. + AG-ONE staff, and is the one that actually operates [usually not credited as (c)MAGES., not rightholder?]
- 5pb.Records/Games are internal labels, not actual entities.
- "5pb." and "5pb. Inc." are exactly the same thing (one is the regular name and other the English entity name)
- The logos/copyrights in the CDs (see my list above) ultimately refer to just "5pb." (5pb. Inc.).
- The cat# stem don't really tell how to link (ie. all cat#s are technically just 5pb.)

So how to handle enclosures and/or albums not officially by 5pb.Records?
1. Remove Inc. from "5pb. Inc" [as per guidelines and since it's only the legal name]
2a. Create a "5pb.Games" imprint, link enclosures to it (so relink all from 5pb. and MAGES.) [less accurate but more consistent with 5pb.Records. albums]
2b. Link enclosures to "5pb." for albums <2011/06 and MAGES. for albums >2011/06/01 [not really accurate since MAGES. is not usually credited]
2c. Create a "5pb." (from 2011/06) parent label for "5pb.Records", link enclosures there [possibly more accurate but harder to understand]
2d. Remove "until" date in "5pb.", link enclosures to "5pb." [if there is evidence 5pb. company still exists]

I'm inclined to go with 2b for the time being (easier to mutate the entry later).

(article I'll check later)

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Old Nov 1, 2014, 09:31 AM
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Thanks for the research Dag. The article you linked at the end looks interesting, let us know if there's some useful information in it.

About the enclosures, even if we go with 2b I think it would make sense to create the 5pb.Games label and link it as "Imprint" along with 5pb/MAGES, since we have the Records label.
I would actually prefer 2a, since we don't usually link the manufacturer in most entries (like we never linked 5pb. company for 5pb.Records entries or King Record company for Starchild Records entries), it would be more consistent to just make a 5pb.Games label and link that.
Anyway for the time being I linked the entries with the 5pb.Games logo to the companies so we don't forget about them, though there are some I'm not sure about/I've left unlinked:

These are mostly for the FPBD catalog, while the FVGK catalog always has the 5pb.Games logo.

Since I fixed the distributors for the normal 5pb entries, here are some of the more straightforward catalogs with the respective distributor, in case anyone is confused when making a new entry:
FVCG: 5pb. Records (distributed by Media Factory)
VGCD/VGDV: 5pb. Records (distributed by Geneon Entertainment) or Geneon Universal Entertainment depending on the date
YZPB: 5pb. Records (distributed by CROWN TOKUMA music distribution) or Stand-Up! Records (distributed by CROWN TOKUMA music distribution)
USSW: 5pb. Records
FVGK: 5pb. Games

There are also some 5pb releases mixed in other companies catalogs, like ZMCZ-38xx, ZMCZ-39xx, some PCCG-900xx, PCCR-900xx, AVCA-49xxx, SVWC-78xx and so on, that are by 5pb. Records and distributed by the respective companies according to the catalog.
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Old Nov 1, 2014, 11:44 PM
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Quote:
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This all makes me think that:
- "5pb." (legal EN: "5pb. Inc.", legal JP "株式会社5pb.") is the actual, current legal entity that owns the copyrights and wasn't actually terminated in 2011/06 [but I can't find evidence for it].
- OR "5pb." is now the umbrella label, and is the one officially credited.
About this, I've read the Wikipedia entry for 5pb. a little better and assuming I got it right, it says that their main label (5pb.) was kept in the MAGES. company. So the "5pb. Inc." company doesn't exist anymore, but the 5pb. label is still around. This is the relevant part of the article:
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2011年5月31日までは、株式会社5pb.として、5pb.Records・5pb.Gamesを中核 として各種事業を展開する独立企業であったが、ドワンゴと文化放送の合弁会社株式会社AG-ONEと対等合併、同日付官報公告ではAG-ONEを存続会社として5pb.を吸収合併、5pb.は解散し、株式会社MAGES.を発足した[1]。その後「5pb.」は、同社のブランド名となった。
While the article you linked specifies that the "internal labels" are kept as they are (though it doesn't talk about 5pb.):
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この度、株式会社5pb.及び株式会社AG-ONEは、対等合併を実施し、平成 23 年6月1日をもって、新たに『株式会社MAGES.』として発足する運びとなりました。

以下、既存事業に関する名称及び方針の変更はございません。 この度の業務拡大に併せ、これまでと変わりのないスタッフ陣営にて、更なる飛躍をめざし、邁進していく所存 です。

ゲーム事業/5pb.Games
音楽事業/5pb.Records
So to be really correct, I guess we should go with option 2c which means creating a page for 5pb. label (not company), but we should also link it to every 5pb. entry, including the Records ones, while leaving 5pb.Records/Games as "imprint". Though, this seem a bit excessive to me since literally EVERY entry would have it, and it's kind of implied when you see Records/Games, so I'm still for the option 2a which is more consistent with what we do for other companies.
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Old Nov 3, 2014, 01:33 PM
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Thinking it a bit more I guess the sanest approach would be 2a.
If albums released by their records division are linked to "5pb. Records", makes sense albums enclosed with games released by the games division would be linked to "5pb. Games".

I hesitate a bit since it's not so clear with in the packages themselves, but if we can agree on that standard that's perfect for me.
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Old Nov 3, 2014, 09:32 PM
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Went ahead and made the entry. In case we change our mind, we can always rename the new one to "5pb." which is still more correct than having the entries linked like before.

The 3 entries left in 5pb. are the only ones with the plain "5pb." logo instead of the 5pb. Games one, so I've left them linked to the company.

There are still some I couldn't verify (see the spoiler in this post) so in case anyone owns them/can find a scan where you can read the text under the logo, let me know.
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Old Jul 13, 2017, 01:17 AM
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According to scans on USSW-0026
http://vgmdb.net/db/covers.php?do=view&cover=277784
発売元: 5pb.
販売元: 株式会社MAGES.

So I linked all 2016+ USSW releases to MAGES. as distributor.
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Old Jul 31, 2019, 09:46 AM
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Last week MAGES. announced that they will be consolidating the 5pb. branding/label into MAGES. https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/00...000046985.html

On Tower
USSW-0206 is listed as レーベル 5pb. https://tower.jp/item/4941032/HEART-TOUCH<通常盤>
USSW-0207 is listed as レーベル MAGES. https://tower.jp/item/4944710/Shake-Up!-[CD+Blu-ray-Disc]<初回限定盤>

I created a label page for MAGES. here: https://vgmdb.net/org/1944 (similar to King/Lantis)
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Looks like the change is already in effect as of USSW-0205/6. The new imprint is a single "M" as seen on the obi and disc here: https://static.mercdn.net/item/detai...jpg?1570372574

I've marked 5pb. Records as succeeded by the MAGES. imprint: https://vgmdb.net/org/26

Edit: It doesn't look like there will be a Games/Records imprint like with 5pb., so I marked the MAGES. imprint as the successor of 5pb. Games as well.

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