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I guess my opinion is just shitty and I don't know great art when I hear it (it's not for everyone, apparently). This is according to Jormungand, who is a VGM artist and a composer, so he knows more about music than I do and therefore must have the correct opinion(?). All I know is what I thought of this CD. |
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For what it's worth I disagree with Jormungand, I don't think just because it's all grandiose and "different" it's necessarily better or more deserving of praise and merit (for instance I don't much like Sakuraba, not because he's a show off, but because his music doesn't hit me viscerally.) Some of my favourite soundtracks are the dumbest cutesiest things, ie. lots of Nintendo scores. It's apples and oranges, of course.
I dunno, I just don't think you can get away with bashing music for being high-and-mighty in its intent when you don't even know that for a fact, at the same time as awarding your own opinions with the same kind of self-importance. It's kinda hypocritical to me, but it's not just you, it's music reviews generally, everyone does it. Here is one I particularly hate, completely crammed full of assumptions about intent, completely focused on the message it's sending, dismissing the musical content exactly the same way you have (because of presumed "cleverness" - maybe the band simply likes the way it sounds?) and ultimately it's just one idiot's viewpoint, which is fine, yet it's up in print on NME giving it a much greater sense of gravitas and authority than it deserves. tldr fuck music reviews lol.
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Indeed, but Vert1 said we should talk about music more
I think the real tragedy is that if you dislike something, you're just wrong - basically, every single song ever written is good and if you're one of the people that dislikes it, you "just don't get it" or "can't appreciate it". You really don't see people with the opposite opinion of a good review jump in and say "Nuh uh this sucked because of blah blah blah" but when it's a bad review, man, you're lynched, you don't get it, you suck, etc. By the way, I didn't dismiss the musical content: my very argument is that there isn't really a lot of musical content on this CD. There's some kind of content, but it doesn't strike me as having any sort of... I dunno, soul? I'm not the kind of person that looks at a song and goes "Did the composer do the follow things according to the genre he was composing in? Yes? Then it's automatically a good song." There has to be something enjoyable about the music to me. There was nothing enjoyable about Soukaigi's music to me, because I didn't feel it really did anything to spark any emotion. I was just left so dry at the end of each song, that it was like I hadn't hardly listened to much of anything besides a bunch of "instrumentation". This is why I chose to explain it the way I did, with the "sound" being the simple goal of the music, not so much the "actual music". I've said many times that I don't know Kikuta's mindset and never claimed to, even in my original post. EDIT: btw, I'll write you all a troll review sometime, and then you'll really know when I'm trolling you. When you take someone's honest opinion of something and call it trolling, it just makes you look like a bad sport. Seriously. You can tell a person how wrong you think they are, and that's fine dude, in fact that's what it's all about. I don't mind if you think I'm wrong, many people said they don't agree with me in this very thread and we had some pretty good discussion about our feelings on the music and there was no arguments or anything like that. But when you call someone a troll, you're simply attacking the credibility of a person's opinion; you're saying that the person's opinion isn't real or valid and is just trying to anger other people. I feel I have the right to post what I feel about any album here at VGMdb, but let me know if I'm wrong about that. Last edited by Hellacia; May 24, 2012 at 01:26 AM. |
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For what it's worth I didn't think you were trolling or being dishonest, but I guess you have a profoundly different value system when it comes to music.
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It's nice to read some content on people's thoughts and defenses on the album. The rpgamer review linked to the album page just wasn't cutting it for me.
Anyhow, I've wrote some more to the thread on 'A Change in Album Discussion' in response to the going ons in this thread. Hopefully we can get away from attacking each other on album pages, so nobody has to read pages of personal rebuttals on what is supposed to be a soundtrack discussion.
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rpgamer and rpgfan are two different sites. ^_^
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Anyway, Xenofan beat me to it--Ongakusei's review is really a great read and summarizes what makes Soukaigi stand out. He's a far better writer than I and very articulately captures the score's strengths (and by extension, Kikuta's).
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Personally I like these kind of "pure" reviews that are plain thoughts much more than the 'synthetic' or cerebral variety from SEMO and whatnot.
But seriously man, "I've probably never heard a bigger piece of shit than this soundtrack"? Did it make your ears bleed or something? :P |
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"In each track, Kikuta's melodies drift through liquid arrangements, always facing the listener with the aspect of Janus. It isn't just the integrity and raw spirit Kikuta puts into his music that sets him apart; it's the ambiguity that pervades his musical voice. He does not depict victories or defeat; there is only a congenital melancholy, shading whatever celebratory expressions find momentary spotlight. It's Kikuta's unique gift to move from one end of the mood spectrum to the other in the span of a phrase as if he were sliding balls across an abacus." That more fluid scale of emotion is what I find makes composers like Mitsuda and Kikuta so appealing. It's never simply SAD or HAPPY or SCARY without any inflection, but balanced and nuanced. Quote:
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Alright. But I don't think Soukaigi is "grandiose", perhaps some the climax of the ending theme could be described that way, but mostly it's not an adjective I would use anywhere else.
Different? Yes. Is that what makes it great and better than others? No--although it's part of it. After all, the very aspect of having more detailed and more spirited musical content means it's going to be different regardless. So, any VGM score that's great, in my opinion, is going to be "different" to some degree. Even if it seems perfectly traditional on the surface. As for my jab about art, yeah, I could have been nicer about it. Quote:
Kikuta on the other hand hasn't been nearly as fortunate in that regard, and yet he still pours every bit of himself into his work. That's especially apparent in Soukaigi.
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Are you kidding me? It was the sentence before that statement in that same post of mine, the one Blitz Lunar also just wrote.
This all but says in exact words "you are wrong about your opinion and just don't know it". And who better than you, the accomplished composer, to school me on it, Jormungand! Again, I don't mind if you disagree with me, and I respect your opinion about this soundtrack and that you think it's really great. But don't try to tell me I'm "wrong" here, that's not how this works. I'm not going to tell you that you are "wrong" about your opinion, you can't possibly be wrong about it, it's your opinion. It just reeks of fanboy rage, that's all. EDIT: Aha, I see you rated this soundtrack a big ol' 5 stars! That's very typical! This is all starting to make sense now. Last edited by Hellacia; May 24, 2012 at 01:05 PM. |
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it's maybe not the right place to ask that, but since one spoke about rating stars etc.
I'd like to see an option to see the whole list of people who rated an album because you only have an average rate without knowing if there are good ratings (5) or bad ratings (1)* the only way to see a "list" of ratings is from the update page and it's not really a list (even if I said on the chat long ago that that rating system sucked etc.) on a personal note, I wanted a possibility to rate 0 (for parasite eve remix) (*) good/bad in the sense where 5 would be considered as good and 1 as bad for by person who voted |
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Why bother? 0.5 is the lowest rating possible. Treat it as you would 0. It's all relative, anyway.
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0.5 is too much, it's like saying there is a possibility that there is something "good" and I don't want that
no 0 rating is discriminating albums with "goodness" any "bad" albums need to be represented in the lowest rating system possible *revolution* |
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Let's make the star ratings go up to 11, too, just to prove how great our favorites are!
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or 108 stars
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idk dude how about the big bright green text under your name that says VGM Artist
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vgm artist is green for veggie music artist, jormungand plays vegetables
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That's a link, isn't it? I didn't put it there, I swear!
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Touché, it is a link... but is it really in your posts?
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On a lighter note, do we have any confirmation on the reading of the lyricists name (Yuki Kitayama)?
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And what on earth does "kitschly tasteful" mean? How can something be both kitschy and tasteful? Oh yeah, and Soukaigi. Great soundtrack, or worst piece of shit ever committed to disc? Answer as of yet unknown. Last edited by Xenofan 29A; Jun 8, 2012 at 02:25 PM. |
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You're right in recognizing the Japanese penchant for kitsch, though. They're also heavily into melodrama, and all of the prime time programming I've seen plays up stereotypical emotions. This is not necessarily meant as a criticism. I think that the trend towards reality programming in the US is far worse... Taste is overrated sometimes. Sometimes it takes someone going a little beyond to make something more effective. |
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so Quake's lyrics are in Thai and Absolute Lady's in Malay
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Really? That's ... that's kind of awesome. I wish they'd have printed the lyrics in the book.
I know some Thai speakers that might be able to listen through Quake and transcribe the lyrics. I don't know anyone who speaks Malay. |
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