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Old Oct 11, 2008, 08:15 AM
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Er...oh...Sorry,The booklets I just uploaded is from the re print of this album.
Someone please delete them...
But the disc scans are from this one,weird...

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Old Oct 13, 2008, 11:23 AM
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I've created the new reprint, and moved some of the scans over. Are you sure the discs are from the old printing?
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Old Oct 14, 2008, 03:04 AM
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Yes they are. They've both got the cat. number on them.
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Old Mar 6, 2012, 06:18 AM
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1.10 ... cat says meow (neko was translated but not nyaa, strange, no?)
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Old Feb 6, 2014, 11:04 AM
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I would be keen to know at what part of game "Zwei!! Shooting -Flight of Pipiro-" plays at. Since the name suggest some kind of minigame. Could anyone post link to relevant youtube gameplay video?
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Old Jun 28, 2016, 08:55 AM
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I got a response from Atsushi Shirakawa. I think there's a good chance he composed more, but for Zwei!! he remembers composing:

Disc 2:

2. Supiri Ancient Labyrinth

8. Final Battle -Demon Vesper-

11. Movie 1 -Invitation to the Light-

12. Movie 2 -Invitation to the Dark-

13. Movie 3 -Descent-

14. Movie 4 -Large Tree-

15. Movie 5 -Collapse-
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Old Jun 29, 2016, 09:58 AM
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Josep got a response from Wataru Ishibashi years back (posted somewhere on VGMDb) revealing that he'd composed around 70% of the music in Zwei!! and Ys VI, so I don't think Shirakawa would have done much more than these.
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I added an image of the Obi for this one (the yellow on the spine is a bit faded though, sorry). For some reason, the first image I uploaded didn't come through, so I uploaded it again and marked the failed upload as "DELETE PLEASE".
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Old Jan 15, 2023, 02:12 AM
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Is there a reason why this is marked as "commercial", while Zwei 2 is marked as "commercial, enclosure"? For Falcom releases, I would generally argue that the "enclosure" category is more correct, since the limited editions of the games they came in were sold everywhere and are as such the "main release", while the separate option was limited to the Falcom store. Both releases are the same date, of course.

While most of Falcom's works like that are already in the "enclosure" category, a bunch I own are not, however. See additonally:

https://vgmdb.net/album/2919
https://vgmdb.net/album/981
https://vgmdb.net/album/2922
https://vgmdb.net/album/1667
https://vgmdb.net/album/214
https://vgmdb.net/album/1704

/edit: The separate music CD releases were, of course, not limited to the Falcom store. I mixed that up with a separate release line (non-music related).

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Old Jan 15, 2023, 01:52 PM
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Is there a reason why this is marked as "commercial", while Zwei 2 is marked as "commercial, enclosure"? For Falcom releases, I would generally argue that the "enclosure" category is more correct, since the limited editions of the games they came in were sold everywhere and are as such the "main release", while the separate option was limited to the Falcom store. Both releases are the same date, of course.

While most of Falcom's works like that are already in the "enclosure" category, a bunch I own are not, however. See additonally:

https://vgmdb.net/album/2919
https://vgmdb.net/album/981
https://vgmdb.net/album/2922
https://vgmdb.net/album/1667
https://vgmdb.net/album/214
https://vgmdb.net/album/1704
This is a commercial retail release, not an enclosure.
https://amzn.asia/d/5mHteZa
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Old Jan 16, 2023, 12:09 AM
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This is a commercial retail release, not an enclosure.
https://amzn.asia/d/5mHteZa
Like I said, all the releases I mentioned were part of some limited game edition of Falcom. Separate music CD releases accompanied those game releases. Both are exactly the same, which is why I am asking how to handle it.
I own all those limited editions.

If you don't want to believe me, you can also look at websites reporting the releases at the time: https://www.4gamer.net/games/000/G00...0011128194700/
Or alternatively, look at pictures of people selling those games.

As you can see, Ys Healing was included too. (No clue why the 21st is listed here, instead of the 20th, as it should be.)
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Old Jan 16, 2023, 01:40 AM
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Like I said, all the releases I mentioned were part of some limited game edition of Falcom. Separate music CD releases accompanied those game releases. Both are exactly the same, which is why I am asking how to handle it.
I own all those limited editions.

If you don't want to believe me, you can also look at websites reporting the releases at the time: https://www.4gamer.net/games/000/G00...0011128194700/
Or alternatively, look at pictures of people selling those games.

As you can see, Ys Healing was included too. (No clue why the 21st is listed here, instead of the 20th, as it should be.)
If the exact same album was also included as an enclosure, perhaps it's best to put a note stating "Also included with such-and-such version of the game."
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Old Jan 16, 2023, 02:54 AM
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If the exact same album was also included as an enclosure, perhaps it's best to put a note stating "Also included with such-and-such version of the game."
Yay, we are getting closer to what I initially asked. The point I'm making is that it should be put in the "enclosure" category since the game (big budget, advertisement etc) is the main release (with the music CD being part of the limited edition) and the music (separate) is an accompanying release (just like game guides and similar things). Since the game is the priority release, the music CD would be treated as enclosure with a note stating that it was also released separately for X amount.
(Not to mention there can't be a game soundtrack without a game but there definitely can be a game without a game soundtrack.)

However, my perspective comes from the game/neutral side. If the music side matters above all, then it would make sense to only really pay attention to the separate release, ignoring what's connected with it/how it came to be.
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Old Jan 16, 2023, 03:33 AM
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if enclosed cd comes before commercial cd (or inversely), you could have:
parent: date and price + enclosure selected
child: different date and different price + commercial selected

note that if both have same date, it's not useful to have 2 entries (notes could have prices)
in that case, enclosure or commercial is submitter's choice (generally, not sure there is a rule about it)
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Old Jan 16, 2023, 06:12 AM
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Hmm...actually seeing that there are proper definitions in place:

"Enclosure

Catch-all type for albums that were never commercially sold as standalone releases..."

So as soon as it is sold separately, at any date, it becomes the "General" type, as long as album number etc are the same. There would be issues with the release date if an enclosed CD releases earlier than the standalone CD.

However, I then noticed a different issue: What's the difference between "Enclosed" and "First Press Bonus" then?

"Enclosure

[...] but distributed as part of a goods package (such as a videogame or magazine)..."

"First Press Bonus

Bonus item provided by the publisher as part of a goods package for a limited initial pressing.

If the bonus is included in all pressings, use the Enclosure type instead."

In the case of games, bonus items can come inside the package or separately outside of it. So "enclosure" would only cover what's inside while "first press bonus" can cover both? Also, it says "limited initial pressing". Games can have that limited edition pressing (with the general edition releasing at a later date), or they can have a limited and a general release at the same time. So would the "first press bonus" cover the "limited initial pressing" and the "limited edition", or just the former?
Falcom has done both. Zwei!! is an example where there was a "limited initial pressing" with this and the Ys Healing music CD inside and after that they did a general edition. However, THE LEGEND OF HEROES III White Witch had the limited and general editions release at the same time, for instance. (And then there is the (limited) Falcom mail-order-only stuff too.)
Of course, we could also just take "If the bonus is included in all pressings, use the Enclosure type instead." like that and ignore the wording.

That would mean that several music CDs would have to have their publish formats changed. Zwei II's OST would be a "first press edition", as there was a limited edition pressing and ~8 month later the general edition released.
There also arise issues in current year, where a music CD can fall under "enclosure" and later on the game (or whatever) gets a general release. So at that point things would need to be updated. In the case of Zwei II, it apparently never did.
Additionally, there is also the question what constitutes a "pressing". If the data is the same, it's the same pressing? What about slight changes like some bug fixes which might have happened between the "limited initial pressing" and the general release? During the floppy era, the same game came with different types of version numbers, even within a short amount of time. Add to that the different kind of computers...uff. What about medium changes and compatibility updates? The THE LEGEND OF HEROES III White Witch I mentioned earlier released as a limited and a general edition. Same pressing, right? What about the DVD version that released seven months later? What about the XP compatibility version that released three years later? (And Falcom did lots of compatibility releases.) Seems really messy.

Of course, it's not just about games. This is listed as "general", despite being part of the "Alice Set" of goods which included a bunch of stuff, including that music CD. So in that case, "enclosure" would be right, with the price getting deleted, right? However...when you look further down through the options, there is the "event only" category where it also fits, since it was only sold at one event (in two different cities though). However however, supposedly, it was later also sold via mail order when one was in the user club (so double limitation). Would that make it "general" again? Really difficult to check, that one.
But that addressed the issue where a release can fit two categories. They can be in a set of goods (enclosure), released only at events. There is also the case where it can be pre-order only (pre-order bonus) though a specific vendor (so retailer bonus too). I mentioned the Falcom limited mail-order stuff earlier, here is one example: Very Best of Sorcerian Music Works.
So...wouldn't it be good to have the possibility to choose more than one distribution type?
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