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Old Sep 20, 2019, 01:26 PM
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Disc 1: Goat Herding, Tutorial, Boss Battle #1 (First Half), Middle Boss Battle #1, Boss Battle #1 (Second Half), Battle (Twilight)
Disc 2: Agitha's Castle, Middle Boss Battle #4, Boss Battle #4, Snowboarding, Trailer Theme (Hyrule Field) ~Alternate Take~
Disc 3: Fish On!, Fish Catch, Mini Game Victory, Iza's Rapid Ride, Zelda's Theme (arrangement)
Where do those credits come from? I honestly feel that pretty much all of those tracks are Minegishi's (based on instrumentation / style / leitmotifs shared with other songs / etc.), although Snowboarding and Iza's Rapid Ride might be indeed Ohta due to how different they sound (and of course Zelda's Theme is hers as well as confirmed by the Sound Selection). Some of those boss battle themes in particular feel too much "important" for them not to be handled by the main composer. But again, this is just my opinion.

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Old Sep 20, 2019, 03:46 PM
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I honestly have no idea where did VGMO get the information that Asuka Ohta did battle themes, but in my honest opinion all (or most) battle music sounds much more like Minegishi's style; he mentions a bit about his involvement in battle music here
A friend and I have tried pretty hard to figure out where that VGMO info came from, because we also think it's incorrect, but we've come up empty.

Our best guess is that the bio writer was like, "if Minegishi did the field and dungeon themes, then Ohta must've done the other music"
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Old Sep 21, 2019, 12:42 AM
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Where do those credits come from? I honestly feel that pretty much all of those tracks are Minegishi's (based on instrumentation / style / leitmotifs shared with other songs / etc.), although Snowboarding and Iza's Rapid Ride might be indeed Ohta due to how different they sound (and of course Zelda's Theme is hers as well as confirmed by the Sound Selection). Some of those boss battle themes in particular feel too much "important" for them not to be handled by the main composer. But again, this is just my opinion.
I don't know where the credits came from to be honest. Maybe a wikipedia or so (I know they aren't always reliable sources).

But yeah, those credits aren't so far-fetched I think. I mean, Twilight Princess was obviously Minegishi's baby to handle in terms of lead composing, so it would be only natural to give at least some tracks to his co-composers, like some of the battle themes.
And as these are the first boss themes, they're not as intriguing and complex as the latter ones, so it may be correct that it was Hayazaki's job to handle the first ones. Probably Minegishi was busy handling the bulk of the soundtrack and focus on the
dramatic music and main themes, while leaving the earlier battle themes and more simple stuff to Hayazaki.

Middle Boss Battle #1 (against Ook), which has a very different sound than the rest of the battle music with its tribal / eastern vibe (reminds me a bit of Yoshino Aoki or Miki Higashino's works for Breath of Fire / Suikoden) to be honest.

Boss Battle #1 (First Half) sounds like a reference to past Zelda boss battle themes like for Ocarina of Time ("Dinosaur Boss Battle", "Boss Battle") or Majora's Mask ("Boss Battle") with its hard piano chords and string motifs.
It's like Minegishi told Hayazaki "compose the first boss theme to make it sound like this and this from this" so that Zelda fans are greeted by a familiar sound

Boss Battle #4 makes direct reference to "Dinosaur Boss Battle" from Ocarina of Time mixing into "Boss Battle #1", so another Kondo reference here (like she did back in Four Swords Adventures)

Boss Battle #1 (Second Half) mixes the Ook theme from "Middle Boss Battle #1" within so it makes sense, even if it sounds slightly more upgraded and more complex like Minegishi's work. Pretty hard to guess... maybe they teamed up for this?

Middle Boss Battle #4 is exactly like "Middle Boss Battle #1", it has very distinct different feeling like the rest, more eastern sounding, and overall softer.

Battle (Twilight) yeah why not? I mean didn't she say she composed music for Link and Midna? While not the battle theme for Twilight Realm? It's also pretty simple and could also be ordered by Minegishi to compose a piece with a electronic focus
(also the chords sound similar to "Middle Boss Battle #4") and overall it's another piece which sticks out from the rest

All in all are all battle themes attributed to Hayazaki more softer and elegant sounding than Minegishi's. Hard to describe... maybe I sense a kind of feminism hahaha

Tutorial is simple enough and also features this kind of elegant and soft composition which reminds me again of Aoki or Higashino (especially the flute)

Snowboarding should be clear. I think lots of people stated that it definitely sound like her work.

Goat Herding sticks out like "Middle Boss Battle #1". The use of pan flute could indicate for Minegishi first, but I think it's Hayazaki's work

Agitha's Caste & Iza's Rapid Ride see "Tutorial"

Fish On! another Kondo reference ("Battle" from Ocarina of Time)

Fish Catch and Mini Game Victory would fit into the category of her contributions and would make sense, altho they're pretty short to make further decisions

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Old Sep 21, 2019, 02:16 AM
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Definitely good points from your part. At this point I honestly wish Nintendo wasn't so stubborn in not crediting properly their artists, so we could have absolute clearance on their work (some of their recent soundtracks seem to have broken that trend though).
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Old Sep 21, 2019, 03:53 AM
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The Legend of Zelda Concert 2018 has a Boss Battle Theme Medley which contains Boss Battle #1 (Second Half) (along with Majora's Mask Boss Battle theme, Wind Waker's Mini-Boss Battle theme and Skyward Sword's Ghirahim Battle and Moldarach Battle themes) and is credited to Minegishi, Wakai, Fujii and Yokota. So the only one who could have composed it is Minegishi since the others didn't participate to Twilight Princess (except Yokota but only for one of the trailer themes).

Same situation with Boss Battle #2, featured in the Boss Battle Theme Medley on The Legend of Zelda 30th Anniversary Concert. The medley is credited to Kondo, Wakai and Minegishi but Kondo is known to have only participated to one of the trailer songs and the Title Theme, so that leaves Minegishi having composed that theme.

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Koji Kondo's sole contribution is "Teaser Music #2" (Sound Selection only), but strangely I have Michiru Oshima credited to "Teaser Music #1" while on the Sound Selection it is credited to both Kondo (music) and Mahito Yokota (arrange). Anyone can confirm this?
Kondo also participated to the vocal part of the Title Theme as he stated in a promotionnal video for Twilight Princess HD.
Michiru Oshima was the arranger/orchestrator of both the trailer themes. The #2 was composed by Kondo and the #1 was composed/originally arranged by Yokota (since it features Zelda's Lullaby, Kondo is credited as well for composition).

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Middle Boss Battle #1 (against Ook), which is has a very different sound than the rest of the battle music with its tribal / eastern vibe (reminds me a bit of Yoshino Aoki or Miki Higashino's works for Breath of Fire / Suikoden) to be honest.

Boss Battle #1 (First Half) sounds like a reference to past Zelda boss battle themes like for Ocarina of Time ("Dinosaur Boss Battle", "Boss Battle") or Majora's Mask ("Boss Battle") with its hard piano chords and string motifs.
It's like Minegishi told Hayazaki "compose the first boss theme to make it sound like this and this from this" to that Zelda fans are greeted by a familiar sound
Since we know that Minegishi composed Boss Battle #1 (Second Half) and since it features both of these themes, we can at least conclude that Minegishi composed both of them. Hayazaki could have arranged both but I don't think that's the case: Boss Battle #1 (First Half) is 100% Minegishi's style and I think Minegishi is very well capable of doing tribal themes like Middle Boss Battle #1. I mean, him having done Boss Battle #1 (Second Half) is enough of a proof that he can compose tribal-like music.

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Boss Battle #4 makes direct reference to "Dinosaur Boss Battle" from Ocarina of Time mixing into "Boss Battle #1", so another Kondo reference here (like she did back in Four Swords Adventures)
Sounds 200% like Minegishi. And Minegishi also did arrange some of Kondo's previous works in the Zelda series (like the Zora Domain, the Goron Village, etc...). He even used part of the Dinosaur Boss Battle theme in Boss Battle#2 !

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Middle Boss Battle #4 is exactly like "Middle Boss Battle #1", it has very distinct different feeling like the rest, more eastern sounding, and overall softer.
It also sound a lot like Minegishi's work (the violins especially sound like his work in Spirit Tracks).

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Battle (Twilight) yeah why not? I mean didn't she say she composed music for Link and Midna? While not the battle theme for Twilight Realm? It's also pretty simple and could also be ordered by Minegishi to compose a piece with a electronic focus
(also the chords sound similar to "Middle Boss Battle #4") and overall it's another piece which sticks out from the rest
The part begining at 1:18 sounds a lot like Minegishi's orchestration style to me. Also, it has a shared motif with Palace of Twilight and we know that Minegishi was involved with most (if not all) of the dungeon themes.


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Tutorial is simple enough and also features this kind of elegant and soft composition which reminds me again of Aoki or Higashino (especially the flute)
It is a softer version of Hidden Skill Training which sound 100% like Minegishi's work. So Minegishi most likely composed it and Hayazaki could have arranged it but I can also see her having no involvement with this song.

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Snowboarding should be clear. I think lots of people stated that it definitely sound like her work.
I agree.

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Goat Herding sticks out like "Middle Boss Battle #1". The use of pan flute could indicate for Minegishi first, but I think it's Hayazaki's work
That one is really hard, it sound a lot like Minegishi's Spirit Tracks works but I think it could also fit Hayazaki's style.

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Agitha's Caste & Iza's Rapid Ride see "Tutorial"
I agree to say that those two themes are most likely Hayazaki's work.

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Fish On! another Kondo reference ("Battle" from Ocarina of Time)

Fish Catch and Mini Game Victory would fit into the category of her contributions and would make sense, altho they're pretty short to make further decisions
I also think they're Hayazaki's work but I could be wrong.
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Old Sep 21, 2019, 09:44 AM
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Those old SEMO/VGMO bios contain quite a bit of inferred information, so I wouldn't trust them. They were also written 10+ years ago.
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So, in that case, I guess Hayazaki's role was pretty small to minimal in this project, unless someone figures out, what exactly her compositions are. Guess we'll never know.
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