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Old Jun 7, 2018, 06:22 PM
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Default Harder series to complete: Nippon Columbia or Tokuma Japan?

Both Nippon Columbia and Tokuma Japan produced a series of old classic VGM albums, many of which are difficult to find. The albums for each series in question are below.

Of these two series, which one do folks think is the hardest one to assemble a complete set?


Nippon Columbia

CA-3393 Super Mario Brothers 1. 2. 3. -Hop! Step! Jump!-
CA-3838 Super Mario Land
CA-4378 F1 Triple Battle
CA-4377 Fire Pro Wrestling Combination Tag
CA-4473 Famicom Graffiti: Nintendo Cartridge Edition
CA-4474 Famicom Graffiti: Nintendo Disk Card Edition
CA-4549 Chikudenya Toubei: Hiroku Kubikiri Yakata
CA-4706 Takeda Shingen
COCA-6327 Game Boy Graffiti
COCA-6648 Insector X
COCA-6675 Fire Emblem ~Character Theme Collection~
COCA-6839 Famicle Parodic 2
COCA-6840 Shiten-Myooh
COCA-6898 Vasteel
COCA-6969~70 Game Music Graffiti
COCA-7049 Dragon Tail


Tokuma Japan

TKCA-30068 Takeda Shingen 2
TKCA-30069 Cyber Core
TKCA-30096 Sindibad: Chitei no Daimakyuu
TKCA-30097 Devil Crash / Alien Crush
TKCA-30155 Teketeke! Asmik-kun World
TKCA-30156 CD Technopolis Vol.1, PC Game Music Collection
TKCA-30276 Gorby no Pipeline Daisakusen
TKCA-30298 Blue Almanac
TKCA-30378 Chachamaru Game Music
TKCA-30377 Masaya Omnibus: Langrisser, Gynoug & Head Buster
TKCA-30391 Fire Pro Wrestling 2nd Bout
TKCA-30392 Chaos World
TKCA-30516 F-ZERO

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Old Jun 27, 2018, 04:01 AM
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That's a tough one. Each one would come down to toughest single album to get. Of the Columbia ones, Famicle Parodic 2 is the one that notoriously hard to find. You'd also probably have a tough time finding Fire Pro Wrestling Combination Tag and Insector X. The others strike me as being potentially expensive (especially Super Mario Land and Chikudenya Toubei), but not necessarily hard to find. I am missing 7 of that set.

As for the Tokuma collection, they all seem to be really hard to find. I've been buying VGM for almost 20 years, and I've never seen an auction for Chachamaru Game Music or Fire Pro Wrestling 2nd Bout (not that I have been continually looking). I got 5 of these albums in one lot about 10 years ago, and was fortunate to find another forum member selling a few others. F-Zero is readily available, and CD Technopolis and Masaya Omnibus are probably the next easiest ones in that set to find, but the others are a beast. I won an auction for Devil's Crush once, and the seller never shipped it. I think it took about a year to find another copy. At this point, the only one I'm missing is F-Zero, but some of my copies are incomplete.

So, I'd say it's easiest to get an almost compete set of the Columbia albums. For the totally complete set, I'd say it's probably equally difficult because Famicle Parodic 2 and Chachamaru Game Music are both so difficult to find.
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Old Jun 29, 2018, 07:10 PM
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Crash, that all sounds mostly in line with my experience.

If I were to score the difficulty of finding each album out of 10, where 1 is easiest and 10 is hardest, I'd probably score them as I have below. Interestingly people talk about Chachamaru and Famicle Parodic 2 as being outrageously hard to find, but don't really talk about Dragon Tail, which I'd say is similarly elusive.



1/10

F-ZERO


2/10

Famicom Graffiti: Nintendo Disk Card Edition
Fire Emblem ~Character Theme Collection~


3/10

Super Mario Brothers 1. 2. 3. -Hop! Step! Jump!-
CD Technopolis Vol.1, PC Game Music Collection
Super Mario Land


4/10

Famicom Graffiti: Nintendo Disk Card Edition
Masaya Omnibus: Langrisser, Gynoug & Head Buster


5/10

Devil Crash / Alien Crush
Blue Almanac


6/10

F1 Triple Battle
Shiten-Myooh
Vasteel
Cyber Core
Game Boy Graffiti
Sindibad: Chitei no Daimakyuu


7/10

Game Music Graffiti
Chikudenya Toubei: Hiroku Kubikiri Yakata
Gorby no Pipeline Daisakusen


8/10

Insector X
Fire Pro Wrestling Combination Tag
Takeda Shingen 2
Chaos World


9/10

Teketeke! Asmik-kun World
Fire Pro Wrestling 2nd Bout
Takeda Shingen


10/10

Famicle Parodic 2
Dragon Tail
Chachamaru Game Music

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Old Jul 14, 2018, 07:30 AM
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I'd say the difficulty of acquiring each set is enough to scare most people away. In fact, if just 5 people at this site wanted to make complete sets of those, I'd say 4 of those 5 people would never succeed, no matter how hard they tried (there aren't enough copies out there). But I'm talking about people not living in Japan. All of my experiences are based on using the internet to acquire this stuff.


I would suspect that if one had the financial means to stay in Japan for an extended period and hire some help, it would be possible to greatly increase the chances of completing those sets. Most of us here are creating a definition of rarity based on using the internet. Not many people here have experience searching for these albums, in person, in Japan.


Is it really worth it to complete those sets? No, it's not. Some of those albums are stinkers and not really worth the effort. Some of them are decent and worth listening to, but the effort needed to acquire them is hard to justify. Not matter what, no matter how bad some of them are, it is an accomplishment to find them, simply due to the enormous amount of time it takes. It's self-satisfaction taken to extreme levels.

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I think both sets are equally voracious in terms of time consumption. Either set is going to push you to the limits of what you can tolerate.
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Old Jul 14, 2018, 08:01 AM
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Here's my rating of each album.

Exceptional = Far better than average, worth the price and time.
Decent = Average, has some good tracks. Might be better off downloading.
Stinker = Not worth it. Find a way to download.

Nippon Columbia

CA-3393 Super Mario Brothers 1. 2. 3. -Hop! Step! Jump!- [Exceptional]
CA-3838 Super Mario Land [Decent]
CA-4378 F1 Triple Battle [Exceptional]
CA-4377 Fire Pro Wrestling Combination Tag [Exceptional]
CA-4473 Famicom Graffiti: Nintendo Cartridge Edition [Decent]
CA-4474 Famicom Graffiti: Nintendo Disk Card Edition [Decent]
CA-4549 Chikudenya Toubei: Hiroku Kubikiri Yakata [Exceptional]
CA-4706 Takeda Shingen [Decent]
COCA-6327 Game Boy Graffiti [Decent]
COCA-6648 Insector X [Exceptional]
COCA-6675 Fire Emblem ~Character Theme Collection~ [Decent]
COCA-6839 Famicle Parodic 2 [Stinker]
COCA-6840 Shiten-Myooh [Decent]
COCA-6898 Vasteel [Exceptional]
COCA-6969~70 Game Music Graffiti [Decent]
COCA-7049 Dragon Tail [Stinker]


Tokuma Japan

TKCA-30068 Takeda Shingen 2 [Decent]
TKCA-30069 Cyber Core [Exceptional]
TKCA-30096 Sindibad: Chitei no Daimakyuu [Exceptional]
TKCA-30097 Devil Crash / Alien Crush [Decent]
TKCA-30155 Teketeke! Asmik-kun World [Stinker]
TKCA-30156 CD Technopolis Vol.1, PC Game Music Collection [Decent]
TKCA-30276 Gorby no Pipeline Daisakusen [Stinker]
TKCA-30298 Blue Almanac [Decent]
TKCA-30378 Chachamaru Game Music [Decent]
TKCA-30377 Masaya Omnibus: Langrisser, Gynoug & Head Buster [Decent]
TKCA-30391 Fire Pro Wrestling 2nd Bout [Decent]
TKCA-30392 Chaos World [Decent]
TKCA-30516 F-ZERO [Exceptional]

If I could only choose one Nippon Columbia album to have, it would be Insector X. As for Tokuma Japan, I would choose F-ZERO. It would tear me up to forever lose Cyber Core and Sindibad, but F-ZERO is better.
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Old Jul 15, 2018, 04:37 AM
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Didn't know people thought about collecting whole series like this. I just buy what I like to listen to. Only one of these I have is F-Zero and there's only two or three others here I'd even want to get.
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In general, the quality of the arrangements for both of these series are superior. There is something about these albums that make them fun to listen to. At the time, sound hardware was rather primitive, so composers generally leaned towards making catchy, melodic tunes, which makes the music more memorable, and this was before the loudness wars that have resulted in increased dynamic compression. The engineering is fantastic, and if you're listening on a resolving sound system, many of them sound incredible.

The Tokuma albums are an easily identifiable series, since the spines are numbered 1 to 13, so they lend themselves well to collecting.

Of the Columbia albums, I like Super Mario Land the best. Insector X has unbelievable engineering, and is very impressive, but I like Super Mario Land's melodies better. I like the Graffiti albums, too, but think there are other albums with the same source material that do as good or better job (Toy Music, Game Boy
Music GSM Nintendo 2).

As for Tokuma, my favorite is Devil Crash, probably due to nostalgia. Cyber Core and Chaos World are also fantastic. Teketeke Asmik-kun World is an abomination: it's downright unlistenable.
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Old Jul 17, 2018, 04:17 PM
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The other series that I often associate with these two is the M's Labo series produced by O'Bits. Again, high quality arrangements that put most other albums to shame.

MECG-28001 Double Dragon II ~ The Revenge
MECG-28002 V'Ball
MECG-28003 Super Mario Bros. Special
MECG-28004 Ninja Ryukenden II - Ankoku no Jashin Ken
MECG-28005 Nekketsu High School Dodgeball Club Soccer Edition
MECG-28006 System Soft Super Simulation Sound

Only six albums, so it's easier to get them all, but the Double Dragon and Ninja Ryukenden albums can get pricey.
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Old Jul 17, 2018, 06:18 PM
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Another series is the Platz series, which is also small:

PLCE-901 TETRIS
PLCE-902 Symphonic Synth Suite 46okunen Monogatari -THE Shinkaron-
PLCE-903 HATRIS
PLCE-904 Might and Magic

As for why these are fun to collect, I'm not sure. I see it as a piece of video game history, similar to Nintendo's Game & Watch titles, but less appreciated by the masses. Also, the chase sure is fun.
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Didn't know people thought about collecting whole series like this. I just buy what I like to listen to. Only one of these I have is F-Zero and there's only two or three others here I'd even want to get.

My impetus for collecting those was simply to satisfy curiosity. I didn't know if some of them were good or bad, and oftentimes obtaining samples, even low quality mp3 files, was impossible. I had finished the process for finding all of those by 2014 - it had started in 2000. I found almost all of them physically, with the exception of a few Columbia albums, but I did manage to hear them through cd-r trading.

The process was hindered by not having correct album titles for some of them. I estimate I could have finished finding all of them by 2004 if I had had correct album titles.
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I was perusing my dictionary this morning and found two words that explain the market situation surrounding these old albums:

1. oligopoly
2. oligopsony
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I got my copy of F-Zero in a couple weeks ago, so here are a couple pictures of the Tokuma set:



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Old Sep 20, 2018, 06:31 PM
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Very nice Crash. I've managed to find 12 of the 13 albums; still on the lookout for Chachamaru.

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I was perusing my dictionary this morning and found two words that explain the market situation surrounding these old albums:

1. oligopoly
2. oligopsony
Pretty spot on.
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