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Old Dec 2, 2009, 12:50 AM
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Lightbulb Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Michael Jackson: So it was true.

In the latest issue of Black & White magazine (french publication about Michael Jackson), composer Brad Buxer confirmed that M.J. and him actually worked on Sonic the Hedgehog 3 soundtrack.

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B&W: Can you clarify the rumor that Michael had in 1993 composed the music for Sonic 3 video game, for which you havel been credited?

Buxer: I've never played the game so I do not know what tracks on which Michael and I have worked the developers have kept, but we did compose music for the game. Michael called me at the time for help on this project, and that's what I did.
And if he is not credited for composing the music, it's because he was not happy with the result sound coming out of the console. At the time, game consoles did not allow an optimal sound reproduction, and Michael found it frustrating. He did not want to be associated with a product that devalued his music...

B&W: One of the surprising things in this soundtrack is that you can hear the chords from Stranger in Moscow, which is supposed to have been composed later...

Buxer: Yes, Michael and I had composed those chords for the game, and it has been used as base for Stranger in Moscow. [...]
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I can't believe the mystery has finally been revealed officially. It always struck me as odd that part of the Sonic 3 soundtrack was clearly different in style to the music of Sonic & Knuckles, and even other songs in the same game (also the difference in music staff was kinda shocking, with Sonic 3 having a wide team of people with completely unknown aliases).
After the rumors of M.J.'s implication in the project started to arise years ago, coupled with the fact that the Carnival Night, Icecap and Launch Base Zones got their music replaced in the Sonic & Knuckles collection for the PC, you could see some very suspicious level candidates there...

It's kinda weird he would stop working on the music for the game because of limited hardware; Moonwalker for both AC and MD were already around for some time. One theory people usually comment on, is that when he was working on the game, the child abuse scandal broke out and SEGA quickly set him off the project fearing a negative impact on the game because of bad press.
That we'll never know, but it's very nice to finally have some confirmation on this longtime "myth" of the Sonic community.

Thanks lots for sharing, dma.
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Yeah, that's awesome news, I never would have guessed it. I haven't heard the soundtrack in a long while, perhaps it's time to revisit the original game and hear the music again. Not sure if M.J. was involved in the final boss song but it's one of my favorites form the game.
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Wow this is exciting!
It's a shame Brad hasn't played the game.
I'd love it if we could send him links to the soundtrack to have him give a yes or no as to if it was an MJ track. I'm sure he would recall which songs were as he heard them.
He is more than likely a busy man though..
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dma, I have just registered because I want to personally thank you here for bringing this to light. I have altered my youtube video to include all this information at the start.

I think I'm really going to have to rework that video at some point, I can't just keep tacking annotations on forever!
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dma, I have just registered because I want to personally thank you here for bringing this to light. I have altered my youtube video to include all this information at the start.

I think I'm really going to have to rework that video at some point, I can't just keep tacking annotations on forever!
Ah, I remember that video. Quite informative, and nicely put, Qjimbo, I must thank you for that.

BTW, this thread sure has driven in quite a massive amount of visits with all the linking back, hasn't it?
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BTW, this thread sure has driven in quite a massive amount of visits with all the linking back, hasn't it?
Yeah, you're right. It has only been a few days since this was posted and it has already received over 29,000 views! Well with someone as high profile as Michael Jackson being involved in video game music, surely this would be of interest to a lot of people, especially hardcore M.J. fans.

It doesn't hurt either that this particular subject may have bought some new people to this site.
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dma, I have just registered because I want to personally thank you here for bringing this to light. I have altered my youtube video to include all this information at the start.

I think I'm really going to have to rework that video at some point, I can't just keep tacking annotations on forever!
My pleasure, but i just translated the interview text.
Great research job you did on that video!

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According to an interview in the French magazine Black & White—the "official magazine of Michael Jackson"—Jackson's composer and musical director Brad Buxer says Michael was responsible for some of Sonic 3's compositions. The themes that appear in Sonic 3 and some of Jackson's own songs are not a coincidence.
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@xbox360 ^^;

Well, seeing how xbox here decided to bump this from the grave, I think I'll take the next step and convert this into another theoretical topic. Here's my original version with somewhat greater detail; please check it out along with this one. Thank you:
http://vgmdb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2067

Here we go!

NOTE: Please keep in mind that since Sonic 3 was originally planned to be one game, and as such, the music from S&K was also on Sonic 3 when it was released. Therefore, saying that Howard Drossin composed all the S&K music is ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE. Within the context of S&K by itself, he can only be credible for the composition of the five new tracks that are completely exclusive to it [i.e. not found in Sonic 3's Sound Test]: S&K Title Music, S&K Knuckles' Theme, S&K 1-Up, S&K Invincibility/Power Up, and S&K All Clear.*

*The beginning of S&K's Credits is excluded for the following reason: http://donnyku.nothingforfree.com/So...%20Credits.mp3 -->Note how the first part is the same as S&K's Credits but the last part is Sonic 3's All Clear fanfare, only uncut; the order is also different but DOES NOT include Lava Reef among the S&K Zones.



Sonic 3 Credits:

Michael Jackson with assistance from Brad Buxer, Bobby Brooks, Darryl Ross, Geoff Grace, and Doug Grigsby III (See link below): Carnival Night Zone (1 and 2) {Jam}, Ice Cap Zone (1 and 2) {Who is it?}, Launch Base Zone (1 and 2) {Bad}, S3 Credits {Stranger in Moscow}, S3 Act 1 Boss {In the Closet}, S3 Knuckles Theme {In the Closet}, Competition Menu {You Rock My World} ---> All featured voice samples/glass breaking (except Competition Menu - which had NONE*); all except S3 Act 1 Boss replaced in S&K Collection for PC*, as S&K Act 1 Boss [already in Sonic 3 Sound Test unlike the other replacement themes] completely masked over it just like the original did in regular S3&K.
*Clear-cut indicator of MJ et al. tracks
http://www.sonic-cult.org/dispart.ph...bid=2&artid=16**

**Brad Buxer = Keyboardist, orchestrations, and synthesizer programming and sound design for some of MJ's work (i.e. HIStory), and possibly the "Come on" in Sonic 3's Act 1 Boss.
Bobby Brooks (Robert Green Brooks) = Engineer/Programmer and synthesizer programming and sound design for some of MJ's music (i.e. HIStory) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Green_Brooks)
Darryl Ross = Synthesizer programming and sound design for some of MJ's music (i.e. HIStory)
Geoff Grace = Orchestrations in some of MJ's work (i.e. HIStory)
Doug Grigsby III = Synthesizer and drum programming and keyboards for some of MJ's work (i.e. HIStory/Ghosts)


HIStory reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIStory...Future,_Book_I
HIStory/Ghosts reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIStory/Ghosts

Sachio Ogawa: Hydrocity Zone (Acts 1 and 2) --> Has a groove/vibe the others simply don't have; it uses a keyboard in Act 1 and a unique synthesizer in Act 2 [though it's extremely low in Act 1]

C. Cirocco Jones (Scirocco): Cues for the original versions of Hydrocity and Marble Garden. Because they were made for MJ and not Sega, it is most likely that they were all trashed, as they were not replaced in S&K Collection.

-"Message to everyone. This [Hydrocity] was not composed by either Michael Jackson nor Howard Drossin. It was allegedly composed by Scirocco and Brad Buxer, according to a couple sites i had checked out....Brad and Ciroco did Hydrocity and Marble Garden" - DihDin
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servl...ture%3Drelated

Sega Sound Team

**It was Roger Hector, the President at ''SEGA Technical Institute'' who said that Michael's original soundtrack never made it into the final game and the employee was Howard Drossin with the help of Jun Senoue and the SEGA Sound Team who replaced most of the music in Sonic 3.**

Tokuhiko Uwabo (Bo): http://www.mobygames.com/developer/s...loperId,68088/ --> Veteran composer who turned to more advisory positions by Sonic 3. Most likely non-music related.

Sachio Ogawa: http://www.mobygames.com/game/genesi...ehog-2/credits --> Sound Assistant in Sonic 2.

Yoshiaki Kashima (Milpo): http://www.mobygames.com/game/genesi...ehog-2/credits ---> Sound Assistant in Sonic 2. NOT the same person as Yukifumi Makino. (http://web.archive.org/web/200111232...lpo/works.html)
-Direct contact and the 10th Anniversary CD both confirm that Special Stage is his.

Masaru Setsumaru: http://www.mobygames.com/developer/s...loperId,50542/ ---> Sound Programmer (confirmed in Howard Drossin interview [see below]); Data Select (via Sonic Jam credits and in-game music similarities); S3 All Clear, Balloon Park, Credits(S&K) [First part], 1-Up (S&K), Power Up (S&K), and All Clear (S&K) (arrangment differences from Nagao and Drossin [see below]); Sound Effects
-The use of Continue and 1-Up (S&K) in Sonic 3D Blast are proof of Setsumaru's association with those tracks. Furthermore, the arrangement of 1-Up (S&K) is similar to that of Power Up (S&K) and All Clear (S&K), the latter of which is similar to both All Clear (S3) and Credits (S&K) [First part]. Balloon Park is also credited to him because of its similarities to Continue.
-Later Sonic games where he is credited for SE: Sonic the Hedgehog CD [Special Thanks; near top; nobody else from this list is in game aside from Naofumi; below Takenobu Mitsuyoshi], Sonic 3D Blast (GEN), Sonic Adventure [on top], Sonic Adventure 2 [only one of them there], Sonic '06 [towards the bottom], Sonic and the Secret Rings [towards the bottom], Sonic World Adventure/Unleashed [top], Sega Superstars Tennis [Special Thanks with Naofumi Hataya], Sonic and the Black Knight [on top], Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing [Towards top with Naofumi and Jun]

Tatsuyuki Maeda: http://www.mobygames.com/developer/s...loperId,34204/ ---> Sound Effects? (More BGM-related work at the time.)
-Later Sonic games where he is credited for SE: Sonic 3D Blast (GEN) (and/or BGM?), Sonic Adventure [below Masaru], Sonic Heroes [very bottom; below Tomonori], Sonic and the Secret Rings [very bottom (as "Tatsuya" Maeda)], Sonic World Adventure/Unleashed [last of two returning names on list; below Masaru], Sonic and the Black Knight [near bottom]
-Most common person tied to SE after Masaru; most likely Sound Effects, but could have also done BGM.

Tomonori Sawada: http://www.mobygames.com/developer/s...loperId,34175/ ---> Music; Sound Effects(?) (More SE-related work at the time.)
-Later Sonic games where he is credited for SE: Sonic Heroes, Sonic Riders and Sonic Riders: Shooting Star Story/Zero Gravity [no others], Sonic and the Secret Rings [near top]
-Seems to have the lowest grip on classic Sonic SE. More likely a BGM composer here.
-Sonic 10th Anniversary implies that he did Sky Sanctuary Zone

Masayuki Nagao: http://www.mobygames.com/developer/s...loperId,68089/ ---> BGM?
-Linked to Act 2 Boss and Power Up (S3) (via Sonic Drift 2) ---> Extends to Title (S3) and 1-Up (S3) ----> More BGM-based at the time.
*Was previously a Sound Assistant in Sonic 2, and yet is separated from Ogawa and Milpo, indicating role differences this time around.
-Is most likely to have done BGM for this game based on the fact that he is never credited for Sound Effects in the future, unlike Setsumaru and Maeda.

Jun Senoue: http://www.mobygames.com/developer/s...loperId,43211/ ---> Act Clear, Game Over(according to someone named Dihdin [see link below])
-"I read in an interview that he only did 2 tracks [in Sonic 3] and those were only the Round Clear and Game Over themes, which were also used in Sonic 3D Blast. I believe you in a way [about Angel Island Zone], it does sound like his style, but he said himself he did 2 songs, [so] I'm confused." - DihDin
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servl...%3DsC-d-AM0gCM
-Later Sonic games where he is credited for SE: Knuckles Chaotix [Special Thanks] (for SE?), Sonic Heroes [at top], Shadow the Hedgehog [at top; none of the others are present], Sonic Rivals [Sound Advisor], Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing [Towards top with Naofumi and Masaru]
-Composition of Act Clear would not be surprising, given it's constant reuse in later games, especially those with Jun in them.
-EDIT: Both confirmed by ICEKnight's hack, as well as Continue and Bonus Stage (Gumball Machine)
-A previously asked question to Senoue also makes it very clear that he did Bonus Stage (Magnetic Orbs), and it is implied that he also did Bonus Stage (Slot Machine)

Yukifumi Makino: http://www.mobygames.com/developer/s...loperId,34263/ ---> Timer, Chaos Emerald *Uncredited in-game*
-Arranged (S3) version of Chaos Emerald present in ICEKnight's hack of Sonic 3D Blast (GEN). Both composition and arrangement are credited to Makino. Due to its sound and prevalence in relation to Timer/Drowning, I have to agree with it, especially since Timer/Drowning was confirmed to be Makino's composition in the Sonic Colors OST.

*Sound Special Thanks*
Howard Drossin: http://info.sonicretro.org/Howard_Dr...August_2008%29 --> Sonic Retro Interview --> Title (S&K), Knuckles' Theme (S&K)
-Lava Reef Zone (Presence in Sonic 3 credits [Sound Special Thanks] implies that he did at least one track found in the S3 Sound Test, as it was before the S&K Title and Knuckles themes were produced [see Sound Test]. Furthermore, Howard's Sound Special Thanks credit is removed in S&K, replaced by his Music Composer credit [which in turn kicked out MJ & Crew]
-Evidence points toward Lava Reef (both acts), which includes the little booms in the background that were also used in S&K's Knuckles' Theme and the same drums and guitar between both acts*.
-The S&K main theme (which extends to S&K Power Up, S&K 1-Up, and S&K All Clear) and Knuckles' S&K theme are both confirmed to be Drossin's via Sega Tunes: Virtual Sonic's Sonic and Knuckles Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-RNxDPgu7g) and Knucklemania (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-RtHVJjYoY) tracks, respectively, as only those tracks reference the original compositions; the rest are completely original. Unfortunately, Lava Reef is one of the few zones not represented in that album.
*Howard claimed in the interview that he only made "single versions" of each track, meaning that none of his tracks were mixed in such a way that they became, say, two different yet similar versions based on the original that were used for 2 acts of a zone. Lava Reef, however, is the exception because its second act is a completely new composition, with only the melody from the first half or so of the first act remaining in the second act. Therefore, it is quite possible that Drossin did Hidden Palace as well. Furthermore, the arrangements of 1-Up (S&K), Power Up (S&K), and All Clear (S&K) are different than that of Title

From what I can gather, the SST credits are listed as such: Advisors [Director and 2 assistants], then SE [Programmer and 1 or 2 Creators], then BGM [2 or 3 creators].

Here's my full breakdown list. Again, check my previous post for more details. (http://vgmdb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2067)
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Michael Jackson with Brad Buxer, Bobby Brooks, Darryl Ross, Geoff Grace, and Doug Grigsby III: Knuckles' Theme (S3), Act 1 Boss (S3), Carnival Night Zone (Acts 1+2), Ice Cap Zone (Acts 1+2), Launch Base Zone (Acts 1+2), Competition Menu, Credits (S3)
C. Cirocco Jones: Most likely nothing that made it into the final versions of Hydrocity and Marble Garden.

Tokuhiko Uwabo (Sound Director): Nothing
Sachio Ogawa (Sound Assistant [aka old SE management]): Hydrocity Zone (Acts 1+2)
Yoshiaki Kashima (Sound Assistant [aka old SE management]): Special Stage

Masaru Setsumaru (Sound Programmer [aka new SE]): Data Select, All Clear (S3), Balloon Park, S&K Credits [first part/lead-in], 1-Up (S&K), Power Up (S&K), All Clear (S&K)
Tatsuyuki Maeda (Sound Effects): New SE
Tomonori Sawada: Marble Garden Zone (Acts 1+2), Azure Lake, Endless Mine, Mushroom Hill Zone (Acts 1+2), Flying Battery Zone (Acts 1+2), Sandopolis Zone (Acts 1+2), S&K Act 1 Boss, Sky Sanctuary Zone, Death Egg Zone (Acts 1+2)
Masayuki Nagao: Title Music (S3), Angel Island Zone (Acts 1+2), Act 2 Boss, Final Boss, Power Up (S3), Chrome Gadget, Desert Palace, The Doomsday Zone
Jun Senoue: Act Clear, Bonus Stage (Gumball Machine), Game Over, Continue, Bonus Stage (Slot Machine), Bonus Stage (Magnetic Orbs), 1-Up (S3)
Yukifumi Makino: Timer, Chaos Emerald

Howard Drossin: Title Music (S&K), Knuckles' Theme (S&K), Lava Reef Zone Act 1, Lava Reef Zone Act 2/Hidden Palace Zone

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Hmmm...if only we could somehow get confirmation from everyone about who did what...
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I have talked too (technically typed to) to both Tokuhiko Uwabo and Masaru Setsumaru. Uwabo states that he did NO musical compositional work himself, only arranged the team together.

And Setsu says he did NOT compose the data select song, he only arranged it. He also stated that he took songs Howard did, and arranged them for the Genesis. But we already knew that.

We need Ogawa, Maeda, and Sawada to be questioned next. Too bad these guys are so hard to find and contact.
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I have talked too (technically typed to) to both Tokuhiko Uwabo and Masaru Setsumaru. Uwabo states that he did NO musical compositional work himself, only arranged the team together.

And Setsu says he did NOT compose the data select song, he only arranged it. He also stated that he took songs Howard did, and arranged them for the Genesis. But we already knew that.

We need Ogawa, Maeda, and Sawada to be questioned next. Too bad these guys are so hard to find and contact.
I've done a substantial amount of research on this topic over the years and I believe this is what we know up to this point.

1. The Sonic 3 title, Marble Garden, Ice Cap, Carnival Night, Launch Bass, Sonic 3 Miniboss, Sonic 3 Credits, and Competition Select were composed by MJ and his crew.

2. Jun Senoue (sp?) did the Act Clear and Gumball Bonus Stage.

3. Doomsday Zone and the Sonic 3 Final Boss were composed by the same person.

4. Flying Battery and S&K Miniboss were composed by the same person.

5. Drossin only did Knuckles Theme and the S&K Title Theme.

6. Cube Corp (a music subcontractor) did 8 songs for Sonic 3 (although who knows how many were actually used.) Another music subcontractor, Opus Corp, was also credited in both Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles. My guess is they provided the S&K tracks. I highly doubt we'll get exact credits for those tracks. Although both companies are still around, I'm not sure we'd get anything out of them if we contact them.

There are several things that we could possibly do.

1. Get Howard Drossin to finally listen to the music of Sonic 3&K to check which tracks (if any) are his, or release his demos (which he has been thinking of doing.) These seems like the easiest way to get some solid information, as he has been relatively OK with answering questions about his work with Sonic.

2. Somehow get Brad Buxer or Scirrico (has a facebook page) to listen to the music and confirm which tracks were the tracks MJ composed. Getting him to release the demos will probably never happen, but I really wish these guys would be a little more open to the idea of at least talking about the composition process for Sonic 3. I'm shocked Brad Buxer actually talked about Sonic 3 in that interview in 2009, seeing how he's dodged the issue for years.

3. Contact any of the former SEGA sound guys, although contacting composers in Japan (from my experience) is incredibly difficult in many cases.

4. Contact Cube/Opus corp.

5. Get Jun Senoue to finally talk about what happened with that soundtrack.

I'm thinking about starting an all out search for the true credits soon since the longer we wait, the more likely people who worked on the game are to forget what happened, although I'm not that confident we'll get something.
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A possible lead to pursue for Cube would be Miyoko Takaoka (previously Kobayashi), who worked for Cube before going to Quintet. Someone added Sonic 3 to the works list on her Japanese Wikipedia article a few years ago.
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A possible lead to pursue for Cube would be Miyoko Takaoka (previously Kobayashi), who worked for Cube before going to Quintet. Someone added Sonic 3 to the works list on her Japanese Wikipedia article a few years ago.
Thanks for that. Has anyone ever tried contacting her?

If not, I'd be glad to send her an email (she has a contact link on her website) once I get a hold of my Japanese translation guy.
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Thanks for that. Has anyone ever tried contacting her?
Not that I'm aware.

And thanks for all your work so far!
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I've done a substantial amount of research on this topic over the years and I believe this is what we know up to this point.

1. The Sonic 3 title, Marble Garden, Ice Cap, Carnival Night, Launch Bass, Sonic 3 Miniboss, Sonic 3 Credits, and Competition Select were composed by MJ and his crew.
According to this, the Sonic 3 title music was either composed by Tomonori Sawada or Yoshiaki Kashima.

Also, look what appeared in a recent Official Nintendo Magazine Sonic Generations 3DS article. (I cropped out most of the article, since it was irrelevant to MJ.) What strikes me from this is what it claims. He meets with Sonic (Team) to discuss the bassline to Ice Cap Zone? That is a really descriptive claim. I wonder, is this true or just guesswork?

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According to this, the Sonic 3 title music was either composed by Tomonori Sawada or Yoshiaki Kashima.

Also, look what appeared in a recent Official Nintendo Magazine Sonic Generations 3DS article. (I cropped out most of the article, since it was irrelevant to MJ.) What strikes me from this is what it claims. He meets with Sonic (Team) to discuss the bassline to Ice Cap Zone? That is a really descriptive claim. I wonder, is this true or just guesswork?
My guess is that Nintendo was just poking fun at the whole MJ situation.

That being said, I think that most of us would agree that giving MJ credit for Ice Cap Zone is a pretty safe bet.
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Hard to believe, but it was true in the end. I bet MJ had a lot of SEGA arcades in his home, back in the day.
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Haha, that's such a cheezy picture, especially considering the text right below it. I just got a pile of old Swedish computer magazines, one of them containing a small news item on Jackson working with Sega (which further convinced me about the whole story).

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I bet MJ had a lot of SEGA arcades in his home, back in the day.
Yeah, tons of dedicated cabinets went on online auction when he basically auctioned off everything he had. I wonder how often he mounted on his Galaxy Force?
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Some of the music did have that Michael Jackson flavor.
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So who did Hydrocity Zone Act 1?
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So who did Hydrocity Zone Act 1?
Apparently Cirocco Jones and Brad Buxer. I gave Cirocco a link to the song, and he never listened to it, yet he still responded to me. He told me that SEGA owes ALOT of people money from then, and that a lawsuit is going on or about to.

This led me to Bobby Brooks, who was hostile towards me and told me I needed to contact his lawyer and back off, since it was personal and he was having legal problems.
If anybody wants my report posted here, I can do it.

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Would be cool if they released an official Album for all the Sonic The Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles tracks. Like they did with Sonic 1 & 2 not too long ago.
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I've asked Jun about that, since he controls the Sonic stuff Wave Master publishes, and he said no chance. And even if they did, it would all be credited to simply SEGA.
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Oh man, I'd love to know who composed each track for that game. Hey dissident93, who do you think composed Angel Island?? Special Stage?? Those two, as well as Hydrocity are my fav from Sonic 3.
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Angel Island? Well the Sonic 10th anniversary cd credits Tomonori Sawada and Yoshiaki Kashima

Special Stage? The one with Blue/Red spheres? Yoshiaki Kashima definitely did that one. Said it in some e-mail back in 2001.

And Hydrocity was by MJ, Brad Buxer, and Cirocco Jones. while the act 2 arrangement was done by Masayuki Nagao.
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Ahhh crazy man. Good to know, thanks!
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Angel Island? Well the Sonic 10th anniversary cd credits Tomonori Sawada and Yoshiaki Kashima

Special Stage? The one with people using HGH-X2 a lot and Blue/Red spheres? Yoshiaki Kashima definitely did that one. Said it in some e-mail back in 2001.

And Hydrocity was by MJ, Brad Buxer, and Cirocco Jones. while the act 2 arrangement was done by Masayuki Nagao.
I wonder if you actually did have any input or if he was just around at the studio so they included him as a producer to get the name value and some press.

And yeah, I'm sure MJ probably played a lot of SEGA back in the day.

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Todd Van Luling interviewed Buxer, Jones, and Grigsby for The Huffington Post: http://testkitchen.huffingtonpost.co...ljacksonsonic/

I don't think this really blows the lid off anything, but we now have more people on the record, this time with a high profile joint, directly saying that MJ's music is in the game.

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"Oh, it did get in the game," Grigsby insisted. "The stuff we handed in, the stuff we did, made it. To. The game."

It's hard to know for sure why Jackson's name wasn't on Sonic 3. My guess is that both the molestation charges and Jackson's concerns about sound quality played a role in his removal from the credits. But Ben Mallison and his fellow Blues are right, Buxer says: The melody that appears in the end credits is also in Jackson's single "Stranger in Moscow." The Sonic song was written before Buxer and Jackson "ever started working on" the single, Buxer said. The chorus hook for "Hard Times," a song Buxer had written for a band he was in, was also repurposed for Sonic, he said. "These cues are all over the Internet," he said. "People have accurately matched the songs to the cues."
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