COCA-6327: Game Boy Graffiti

[kyubihanyou]

Interesting note for anyone who hasn't bothered looking at the Back and Inside scans.

Composition: Nintendo Sound Team (Hirokazu Tanaka/Ryoji Yoshitomi/Kenji Yamamoto)
Arrangement: Kisho Yamanaka

Due to Ryoji's appearance in the liner notes for G.S.M. Nintendo 2, I can now safely conclude that T. Osada is, in fact, Ryoji Yoshitomi. Also, due to the fact that Kenji Yamamoto does not appear in that album's notes, it can be concluded that Kenji [not on G.S.M.] composed Alleyway and/or Baseball, and Ryoji [only other composer besides Hirokazu Tanaka on G.S.M.] composed Golf, as Hirokazu definitely did not handle the BGM for any of them.

http://vgmdb.net/album/623 --> G.S.M. Nintendo 2 [Super Mario Land, Golf, Tetris, Solar Striker]

Golf
From http://www.hirokazutanaka.com/works/...do/game-boy-1/

# GOLF／ゴルフ　（サウンドプログラム、効果音のみ）
Golf (Sound Program, Sound Effects only)

[CHz]

Originally Posted by kyubihanyou

Due to Ryoji's appearance in the liner notes for G.S.M. Nintendo 2, I can now safely conclude that T. Osada is, in fact, Ryoji Yoshitomi. Also, due to the fact that Kenji Yamamoto does not appear in that album's notes, it can be concluded that Kenji [not on G.S.M.] composed Alleyway and/or Baseball, and Ryoji [only other composer besides Hirokazu Tanaka on G.S.M.] composed Golf, as Hirokazu definitely did not handle the BGM for any of them.

Does Yoshitomi's name appear anywhere on that album other than Special Thanks? I'm not sure how being thanked means he composed anything on that album (Kenji Inaba is thanked, and he's not a composer at all apparently), and how not being thanked means Yamamoto didn't. The liner notes on that album are weird in general and I wish I could read them. Why is "Tetris" commenting on Solar Striker? (T. Osada = TETRIS OSADA, EUREKA)

Also, Tanaka doesn't always acknowledge when he wasn't the sole composer for his works: he omits that Keiichi Suzuki also composed for Mother, for example. So, he wasn't necessarily solely responsible for Tetris (and maybe that Yakuman thing too, I have no idea if that game has credits). [Yumiko] Kanki comments on Tetris in the liner notes of G.S.M. Nintendo 2 along with Tanaka, but she isn't credited as a composer on this album at all, so who knows why she's there: SFX, this album's credits are incomplete, she was just in the room at the same time, etc. Again, what is up with those liner notes.

[kyubihanyou]

Originally Posted by CHz

Does Yoshitomi's name appear anywhere on that album other than Special Thanks? I'm not sure how being thanked means he composed anything on that album (Kenji Inaba is thanked, and he's not a composer at all apparently), and how not being thanked means Yamamoto didn't.

This album also features composers in the Special Thanks [the same three as above; nobody else]. From what I can tell, G.S.M. is more, say, "commercial" than Graffiti, which would be why Inaba is there and not the other [same logic applies to Ono in the G.S.M. Capcom series]. Aside from that, I honestly see little difference between the crediting format in both albums.

I think it makes perfect sense to use Special Thanks as a means to credit the composers when no composition credits exist [is the case in G.S.M. 2]. Furthermore, none of the composers are interviewed in Graffiti and they are all still credited in Special Thanks simply for composition despite being directly credited above.

Lastly, only four of Graffiti's seven games are on G.S.M. with no other games besides those. Kenji, at the bottom of the list, would be the most likely to not be present in terms of quantity. The simple explanation is that none of those games feature Kenji.

Super Mario Land = Hirokazu
Tetris = Hirokazu
Yakuman = Hirokazu

Golf = Ryoji or Kenji [more likely Ryoji due to G.S.M. 2] [SE = Hirokazu]

Solar Striker = Ryoji or Kenji [more likely Ryoji due to G.S.M. 2]

Baseball = Ryoji or Kenji
Alleyway = Ryoji or Kenji [I say Kenji because it's older than Solar Striker]

http://www.mobygames.com/developer/s...operId,333884/ - Kenji
http://www.mobygames.com/developer/s...loperId,50686/ - Ryoji

Originally Posted by CHz

The liner notes on that album are weird in general and I wish I could read them. Why is "Tetris" commenting on Solar Striker? (T. Osada = TETRIS OSADA, EUREKA)

Something else to focus on is the Golf notes, which are credited to "Times." To me, if H. Tanaka = Hip Tanaka, then T. Osada might just mean Times Osada.

Originally Posted by CHz

Also, Tanaka doesn't always acknowledge when he wasn't the sole composer for his works...[Yumiko] Kanki comments on Tetris in the liner notes of G.S.M. Nintendo 2 along with Tanaka, but she isn't credited as a composer on this album at all, so who knows why she's there: SFX, this album's credits are incomplete, she was just in the room at the same time, etc. Again, what is up with those liner notes.

From what I can tell from Tanaka's website, he simply credits the game when he composed BGM for it, and writes more (i.e. Golf, X, etc.) when he did not. By crediting around himself as such, he is in a position where he does need to credit Keiichi or Kanki. Again, I think it's as simple as the original composers being in Special Thanks because the album wouldn't exist without their work.

[CHz]

Originally Posted by kyubihanyou

I think it makes perfect sense to use Special Thanks as a means to credit the composers when no composition credits exist [is the case in G.S.M. 2]. Furthermore, none of the composers are interviewed in Graffiti and they are all still credited in Special Thanks simply for composition despite being directly credited above.

The G.S.M. albums (and early VGM albums in general) are rather spotty when it comes to credits. Most of the time when composers are credited, it's by their commentary in liner notes, and they aren't also thanked at the same time. G.S.M. Nintendo 2 is the only one I'm aware of where a composer for that album is thanked. In G.S.M. Nintendo 3, for example, Yuka Tsujiyoko (Baba) is explicitly credited for composition, but not also thanked (Hirokazu Tanaka is thanked on that album too, though). The G.S.M. Capcom albums have game-by-game composer commentary, but none of them go on to thank the individual composers.

I just don't feel that thanks are a solid base to make composer inferences from, that's all.

Originally Posted by kyubihanyou

From what I can tell from Tanaka's website, he simply credits the game when he composed BGM for it, and writes more (i.e. Golf, X, etc.) when he did not. By crediting around himself as such, he is in a position where he does need to credit Keiichi or Kanki. Again, I think it's as simple as the original composers being in Special Thanks because the album wouldn't exist without their work.

I don't really follow what you're trying to say, although maybe I was unclear. What I was trying to say is that Tanaka doesn't always say when there were other composers, so we can't say for sure that neither Yoshitomi nor Yamamoto contributed to Tetris or Yakuman as well.

(or Kanki, or anyone else, although I don't really have any solid reason to believe the credits for this album aren't complete)

[kyubihanyou]

OK, so let's assume T. Osada is a totally different person that was never credited again. That still leaves three games and two composers - one clearly did more than the other in this case.

As such, I am still in favor of...

-Golf being Yoshitomi's because it's a GB series sports game and an evident link is facilitated by G.S.M. Nintendo 2.
-Baseball also being Yoshitomi's because it's a GB series sports game and also because Yoshitomi is before Yamamoto in the credit list despite Yamamoto's seniority.
-Breakout being Yamamoto's because it is older than the other two games (and therefore more likely to have been done by the older composer) and because it is the odd one out. Again, Yamamoto is listed after Yoshitomi; the key to deciphering this is right there.

So you see, the outcome is still the same under the same frequency-based crediting system that Smashing... Live! uses.

Furthermore, if Nintendo still credited Hajime Hirasawa and Naoto Ishida long after they left Nintendo, then surely they would have done the same for "Osada." I know this because Ishida is the only other person I ever considered to be Osada, and he's still credited in albums such as Smashing... Live!

T. Osada = N A O T O I S H I D A

I implore you to at least take a few minutes to let this unravel in your heads and explore the full scope of my analyses before making your accusations. That goes double for Mach Rider.

[Blitz Lunar]

T. Osada = N A O T O I S H I D A

Grape = P O M E G R A N A T E

they must be the same thing.

i have seen you use this method before. it isn't reliable and not indicative of anything, very much clutching at straws. japanese words use a smaller range of (roman) characters and syllables too; you could find these similarities even more commonly than in english words.

[kyubihanyou]

Originally Posted by Blitz Lunar

Grape = P O M E G R A N A T E

they must be the same thing.

i have seen you use this method before. it isn't reliable and not indicative of anything, very much clutching at straws. japanese words use a smaller range of (roman) characters and syllables too; you could find these similarities even more commonly than in english words.

Originally Posted by kyubihanyou

I implore you to at least take a few minutes to let this unravel in your heads and explore the full scope of my analyses before making your accusations.

Now this is exactly what I'm talking about, ladies and gentlemen. Not only did I completely denounce the point that he primarily responded to, but he also failed to recognize the rest of what I said, completely missing my main point. This is exactly why so much is left undone; it's all just one big show of force. Nothing but boasting on both ends, and as a result, nothing truly productive ever gets done. The dust gathers, and the list grows ever longer.

(sigh) So much for context-based analyses. Subjective idealism is all everyone here ever seems to believe in; the most obvious answers are forever lost to a wave of unfulfilled aspiration. What a pity...

[Blitz Lunar]

but he also failed to recognize the rest of what I said, completely missing my main point

a shame you went through the trouble of referring to me in third person, because i'm still here!

i didn't comment on the rest of your research (which may well be fine and dandy, i don't know, the subject matter doesn't interest me that much), i was specifically responding only to the correlation you made between the names, it was the only part i quoted, because it was totally stupid and doesn't make any more sense IN context, let alone out of context. why even post something like that? it's meaningless.

you aren't going to discover anything by playing scrabble arbitrarily with japanese names, period.

[Dag]

Maybe this page will help... http://gdri.smspower.org/wiki/index...._%28credits%29 (main entry)

Should it go down, it says Minakuchi Engineering (company) did Qix GB, Rabio Lepus Special PCE, RockMan World GB and Solar Striker GB.

For Qix, "Authors" according to the Canadian copyright record: Toru Osada, Hiroshi Wada, Aki Higashiya. And Minakuchi Engineering is listed as the author on the US copyright record. So at least a man named Toru [/Tooru] Osada existed.
Supposedly Solar Striker was done by them (no evidence is mentioned though), so T. Osada should be Toru Osada

I suppose Toru Osada wasn't a Nintendo employee, thus uncredited.

Enjoy.

This spinoff of GMLC also credits solar striker to Toru Osada/おさだ とおる, but unsourced

EDIT: from the links above, apparently this man called Yagiyama worked on some Rockman GB, Goemon FC, Bio Miracle, Bionic Commando GBand lots of old random stuff, if you guys are interested.
EDIT2: from the wiki above, the Solar Striker link comes from this:
"Code comparisons of Qix/Solar Striker and Bionic Commando/Mega Man 3 were performed. The results according to Dimitri: "
"qix/solarstriker came up with mega man on pretty much every string"
"bc/mm3 came up with mm1, 4, and 5 on a good portion of the data"

OK, so let's assume T. Osada is a totally different person that was never credited again. That still leaves three games and two composers - one clearly did more than the other in this case.

As such, I am still in favor of...

-Golf being Yoshitomi's because it's a GB series sports game and an evident link is facilitated by G.S.M. Nintendo 2.
-Baseball also being Yoshitomi's because it's a GB series sports game and also because Yoshitomi is before Yamamoto in the credit list despite Yamamoto's seniority.
-Breakout being Yamamoto's because it is older than the other two games (and therefore more likely to have been done by the older composer) and because it is the odd one out. Again, Yamamoto is listed after Yoshitomi; the key to deciphering this is right there.

So you see, the outcome is still the same under the same frequency-based crediting system that Smashing... Live! uses.

Furthermore, if Nintendo still credited Hajime Hirasawa and Naoto Ishida long after they left Nintendo, then surely they would have done the same for "Osada." I know this because Ishida is the only other person I ever considered to be Osada, and he's still credited in albums such as Smashing... Live!

T. Osada = N A O T O I S H I D A

I implore you to at least take a few minutes to let this unravel in your heads and explore the full scope of my analyses before making your accusations. That goes double for Mach Rider.

Now this is exactly what I'm talking about, ladies and gentlemen. Not only did I completely denounce the point that he primarily responded to, but he also failed to recognize the rest of what I said, completely missing my main point. This is exactly why so much is left undone; it's all just one big show of force. Nothing but boasting on both ends, and as a result, nothing truly productive ever gets done. The dust gathers, and the list grows ever longer.

(sigh) So much for context-based analyses. Subjective idealism is all everyone here ever seems to believe in; the most obvious answers are forever lost to a wave of unfulfilled aspiration. What a pity...

[kyubihanyou]

Originally Posted by Dag

Maybe this page will help... http://gdri.smspower.org/wiki/index...._%28credits%29 (main entry)

Should it go down, it says Minakuchi Engineering (company) did Qix GB, Rabio Lepus Special PCE, RockMan World GB and Solar Striker GB.

For Qix, "Authors" according to the Canadian copyright record: Toru Osada, Hiroshi Wada, Aki Higashiya. And Minakuchi Engineering is listed as the author on the US copyright record. So at least a man named Toru [/Tooru] Osada existed.
Supposedly Solar Striker was done by them (no evidence is mentioned though), so T. Osada should be Toru Osada

I suppose Toru Osada wasn't a Nintendo employee, thus uncredited.

Enjoy.

This spinoff of GMLC also credits solar striker to Toru Osada/おさだ とおる, but unsourced

EDIT: from the links above, apparently this man called Yagiyama worked on some Rockman GB, Goemon FC, Bio Miracle, Bionic Commando GBand lots of old random stuff, if you guys are interested.
EDIT2: from the wiki above, the Solar Striker link comes from this:
"Code comparisons of Qix/Solar Striker and Bionic Commando/Mega Man 3 were performed. The results according to Dimitri: "
"qix/solarstriker came up with mega man on pretty much every string"
"bc/mm3 came up with mm1, 4, and 5 on a good portion of the data"

Wow... talk about a full circle. Minakuchi, Megaman, and this current situation - and on my 360th post, no less.

Solar Striker
Qix (GB) seems to have hit the nail on the head with its high score initials:

* HOW = Howard Phillips?
* OTA
* SAT
* TOR = Tooru Osada
* HIR = Hiroshi Wada?

Fine with me; the "3 game, 2 composer" approach was easily more... "stable."

Rockman World
From: http://gdri.smspower.org/wiki/index...._%28credits%29

Masatsugu Shinohara - Main Programmer (http://www.mobygames.com/developer/s...operId,107679/) (http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/credit/38379.html)
Koji Yoshida - Programmer/Software Design (http://www.mobygames.com/developer/s...loperId,83192/) (http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/credit/2397.html)
Yasushi Ikeda - Sound Driver/Programmer (http://www.mobygames.com/developer/s...operId,151475/) (http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/credit/37780.html)
Hayato Kaji - Object Design (http://www.mobygames.com/developer/s...loperId,59089/) (http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/credit/5195.html)
Makoto Tomozawa - Music Compose & Arrange (http://www.mobygames.com/developer/s...loperId,87156/) (http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/credit/6593.html)
Miki Kijima - Scroll Design (http://www.mobygames.com/developer/s...loperId,82491/) (http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/credit/20954.html)
Kiyomi Kaneko - Software Design/Special Thanks (http://www.mobygames.com/developer/s...operId,107684/) (http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/credit/37775.html)
Toshio Kajino - Sound Design/Effects (http://www.mobygames.com/developer/s...operId,100153/) (http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/credit/36066.html)
Keiji Inafune - Director/Producer (http://www.mobygames.com/developer/s...loperId,59071/) (http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/credit/430.html)

Rockman World 3 & 4 (& 5)
From: http://www.100v.jp/~yagiyama/works/

がんばれゴエモン２　（コナミ、FC）
サウンド（作編曲、効果音、サウンドドライバー）
入社して初のヒット作。
８割くらいの曲は、当時新入社員だった山根さんの作曲です。
当時から山根さんは、すごく良い曲を量産してました。
山根さんの曲に合わせて、サウンドドライバーに、新機能を沢山入れました。
エンディングに漢字フルネームで名前が入って驚いた！
ニコニコ動画ＢＧＭ集⇒http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2072169　（掲載ありがとうございます）

"Yagiyama" states that Michiru Yamamne handled about 80% of Ganbare Goemon 2 for Famicom, a game where only two people are credited for "Sound."

http://www.mobygames.com/game/nes/ga...emon-2/credits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1vUZJwycTM#t=7m41s [I can defnitely hear the similarities despite this being my first time hearing it]

Therefore, Kouji Murata (村田幸史) must be this "Yagiyama" fellow.

Furthermore, on the works page
From: http://www.100v.jp/~yagiyama/works/

ロックマンメガワールド　（カプコン、MD）
サウンド（効果音）
別の仕事が忙しくて、当初、知り合いに振ったけどなかなか進まなくて、結局残りは自分でやりました。
ちなみにＢＧＭのアレンジ、オリジナルステージの作編曲、及び打ち込みは、山下さんです。

"Yagiyama" states that he only did sound effects for Mega World/Wily Wars, and that "Yamashita-san" handled the music. Three guesses for which Yamashita's is being referred to here.

[Dag]

Ok, do we agree then that you can't safely conclude that T. Osada is, in fact, Ryoji Yoshitomi and all the whole grape/pomegranate stuff and people not believeing your objetive, flawless reasonings? To fix the notes, you see.

You come off as such a jerk sometimes, man.

[Chris]

I got lost in this topic from the start, but from everything I can gather, most statements are based on a mixture of assumptions, deductions, and generalisations that aren't always logical. Grape = Pomegranate is a wonderful example of such a fallacy. It's quite easy to arrive from a to b with such reasoning (I know I've been guilty of this on occasions), but I think there needs to be some solid facts if you want mass approval and sometimes these simply aren't available. I don't think there's anything wrong with stating them, but expect them to be treated as ideas, not revelations.

[Dag]

Oh yeah I think everybody except Kyubihanyou agreed on that. You need solid links, not assumptions that can't be confirmed 100% ('Nintendo credits are perfect', 'T. Osada is a nickname', etc), before changing artist stuff.

Specially if you are going to use big words and imply everybody else are morons, and not even apologize later. Hopefully he learns something from this whole thing.

[VRC-7]

I think I found Toru Osada on Facebook. Solar Striker is listed.

[Dag]

The Solar Striker listing is so random he might very well be him.
I couldn't find any info in google jp tho.

For reference his name in kanji is 長田 達

Btw, is GDRI your site? Great stuff.

[VRC-7]

Yes, it is. Thank you.

I also found his YouTube channel and sent him a message a few days ago. Since he hasn't been on since last year, I'm not counting on getting a reply (which is why I went ahead and posted here). Take a look at his favorites.

[VRC-7]

Osada's Facebook likes now include (in Japanese) "GB Rockman World 3 sound program, sound transplant, composition, sound effects."

[Osada Toru]

Originally Posted by CHz

Does Yoshitomi's name appear anywhere on that album other than Special Thanks? I'm not sure how being thanked means he composed anything on that album (Kenji Inaba is thanked, and he's not a composer at all apparently), and how not being thanked means Yamamoto didn't. The liner notes on that album are weird in general and I wish I could read them. Why is "Tetris" commenting on Solar Striker? (T. Osada = TETRIS OSADA, EUREKA)

Also, Tanaka doesn't always acknowledge when he wasn't the sole composer for his works: he omits that Keiichi Suzuki also composed for Mother, for example. So, he wasn't necessarily solely responsible for Tetris (and maybe that Yakuman thing too, I have no idea if that game has credits). [Yumiko] Kanki comments on Tetris in the liner notes of G.S.M. Nintendo 2 along with Tanaka, but she isn't credited as a composer on this album at all, so who knows why she's there: SFX, this album's credits are incomplete, she was just in the room at the same time, etc. Again, what is up with those liner notes.

My name is Toru. Not Tetoris

[Osada Toru]

Originally Posted by VRC-7

Yes, it is. Thank you.

I also found his YouTube channel and sent him a message a few days ago. Since he hasn't been on since last year, I'm not counting on getting a reply (which is why I went ahead and posted here). Take a look at his favorites.

Hi VRC-7.
I really sorry for I didn't reply to your mail.
I don't change E-mail address from old one on Youtube till now.

P.S Maybe we can talk on Facebook, right??

with best Regards.

Osada Toru

[VRC-7]

Thank you for replying. We talked earlier.