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Old Jul 22, 2023, 05:17 PM
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Changed "Box" image descriptions to "Slipcase". Also changed the case image descriptions to better describe them.
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Old Jul 22, 2023, 06:18 PM
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There are 5 "secret" tracks on Disc 4, but I can't add them via a Tracklist Edit. The tracks are listed on p. 02 of disc 5's booklet. They are, with track times (from the rip of my copy):
30 迷宮のリリア(別ヴァージョン1) 1:22
31 迷宮のリリア(別ヴァージョン2) 1:17
32 迷宮のリリア(別ヴァージョン3) 1:42
33 天使降臨 1:46
34 アグル降臨 1:19
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Old Jul 22, 2023, 06:46 PM
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There are 5 "secret" tracks on Disc 4, but I can't add them via a Tracklist Edit. The tracks are listed on p. 02 of disc 5's booklet. They are, with track times (from the rip of my copy):
30 迷宮のリリア(別ヴァージョン1) 1:22
31 迷宮のリリア(別ヴァージョン2) 1:17
32 迷宮のリリア(別ヴァージョン3) 1:42
33 天使降臨 1:46
34 アグル降臨 1:19
Was this rip by any chance done with Exact Audio Copy or any program that saves the table of contents in either a log or cue file (as they can't be saved anywhere else)?
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Old Jul 23, 2023, 04:23 AM
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I use Windows Media Player to rip my CDs.
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Old Jul 23, 2023, 07:03 AM
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I use Windows Media Player to rip my CDs.
Suppose there's no way to verify it then.
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Old Jul 23, 2023, 12:19 PM
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Suppose there's no way to verify it then.
I guess you'd just have to trust what I've given. Is www.yodobashi.com (where the currently listed track lengths are sourced from) a trusted source here?

On the topic of track lengths, from my understanding, this site can be used to automatically pull album info for your own music. I think I read somewhere that the track lengths are vital to this operation, needing to match what is on your copy. It seems that different programs that rip music sometimes give slightly different track lengths (there was one album where the track lengths here didn't match what's printed on the album's documentation, so I figured they were from a rip, but several of them were off by 1-3 seconds compared to my own rip).

If this is the case (the track lengths needing to match), I don't think it would be possible for this automated operation to work for everyone, as all music would have to have been ripped by the same program.
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Old Jul 23, 2023, 12:35 PM
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I guess you'd just have to trust what I've given. Is www.yodobashi.com (where the currently listed track lengths are sourced from) a trusted source here?
It is.

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On the topic of track lengths, from my understanding, this site can be used to automatically pull album info for your own music. I think I read somewhere that the track lengths are vital to this operation, needing to match what is on your copy. It seems that different programs that rip music sometimes give slightly different track lengths (there was one album where the track lengths here didn't match what's printed on the album's documentation, so I figured they were from a rip, but several of them were off by 1-3 seconds compared to my own rip).

If this is the case (the track lengths needing to match), I don't think it would be possible for this automated operation to work for everyone, as all music would have to have been ripped by the same program.
Yes, it can, but it works 100% if you have a log with the table of contents for the CD, and also a Disc ID within a cue sheet (this has two hex digits that once converted to decimal will display the correct track number on the CD). This is what AccurateRip programs like EAC and CueRipper (Windows) or XLD (Mac) are for. Once properly configured they'll get the same results anywhere.

If you have either of the two (simply copy-pasting the text from within either) then it would be solid confirmation in a case like this. The site has a slot for Disc ID's in the media info section.
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Old Jul 23, 2023, 03:09 PM
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It is.
I might have come across as being a bit defensive, but I was just curious since this is the first time I've come across that website.

Is there somewhere where the trusted sources are listed? I remember being blocked from even including a discogs link for an artist submission (I was using it to show another site that matched the info on wikipedia), but discogs seems to be a trusted source for album info.

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Yes, it can, but it works 100% if you have a log with the table of contents for the CD, and also a Disc ID within a cue sheet (this has two hex digits that once converted to decimal will display the correct track number on the CD). This is what AccurateRip programs like EAC and CueRipper (Windows) or XLD (Mac) are for. Once properly configured they'll get the same results anywhere.

If you have either of the two (simply copy-pasting the text from within either) then it would be solid confirmation in a case like this. The site has a slot for Disc ID's in the media info section.
I downloaded EAC when you mentioned it since I have a couple games (Saturn and PS1) I bought used that are scratched enough to where a few tracks can't be ripped, and from the little I read about EAC, it might be able to rip them. I don't see myself re-ripping my library.

The question I have is if someone, like me, has used something like WMP to rip their music library, will it be able to grab the album info if the track length of what WMP made doesn't match the track length of whatever service you try to pull the album info from? Or does it pull some other info to match? I'm rather ignorant regarding this process, and it doesn't interest me enough to look too much into it.
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Old Jul 23, 2023, 04:29 PM
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Honestly, I couldn't answer that question yet, it appears there are numerous unlisted aspects that will take a bit of time to actually list out.

In my experience, a first-time encounter is usually tedious without something like a configuration profile, as there's a bunch of things to set (like accuraterip offsets, what data to include in a cue sheet and such), I would have gone with the CueRipper portable .exe as it doesn't require a lot of setup to get going.
And to save time, it could be ripped as one whole track, so you still get the table of contents in the log as well as a valid disc ID, if that's all you'll need.

As to the question, it could probably miss, but I haven't really tried it. What I do know is that there's similar results and properly aligned samples for properly set up AccurateRip programs from different systems and drives with my own testing.
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I can't add them via a Tracklist Edit. The tracks are listed on p. 02 of disc 5's booklet.
Wait a second, they're already present in the tracklist.
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Old Jul 31, 2023, 04:50 PM
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Wait a second, they're already present in the tracklist.
Smithdanigans submitted a new tracklist with the secret tracks, which got approved, a few days before you noticed it.
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