N23D-002: FINAL FANTASY III ORIGINAL SOUND VERSION

[Hellacia]

It's a real challenge trying to fix this soundtrack's tracklist up. The original NES version was never released outside of Japan, and every FAQ for the DS version uses 3 different romanizations of the same fucking name - for a game released in the U.S. Am I missing something there? It's really ridiculous. Anyway, here are the names I'm having problems with (basically all of them, yay):

Jinn/Djinn (ジン)
Tozas/Tozus (トーザス)
Nept/Nepto (ネプト)
Hain/Hein/Hyne (ハイン)
Elia/Aria (エリア)
Salonia/Saronia (サロニア)

EDIT: A walkthrough on Youtube contains the spellings I've bolded.

Also, I don't agree with any of kyubihanyou's edits. The track Veggies of Geasal was changed to be misspelled as Vegies of Geasal. I don't know why that is. In FF7, there is a certain type of Chocobo food called Gysahl Greens, and it seems that Gysahl is a place in Final Fantasy III, being spelled the same way in the DS remake. I'm certain that's what this track's name is referring to, it doesn't make any other sense, so "veggies" would be correct, if that's the word we want to use. And why were "above" and "below" lowercased? They are five letters long. I learned that you don't capitalize prepositions that are less than five letters.

More input would be good

[Phonograph]

you could even use Gysahl('s) Greens directly

[Hellacia]

That's what I would do, sans possession

Made an edit while you were posting I guess, I bolded the ones I found in a multi-part video walkthrough for the DS remake on Youtube. I vote for changing most of them, except maybe Elia to Aria... so having multiple opinions would be good.

[Dag]

The current tracklist reflects the official English names as written in the album, apparently: http://vgmdb.net/db/covers.php?do=view&cover=16144

You could fix the DS OST tracklist based on what you wrote and maybe add an alternate version here.

[Phonograph]

ah, I didn't know that that ff had an official english translation
I guess the ds version ost could be updated according to the nes version's

which ff osv/ost have official english? ff iii, ff iv (?), ff vi, ff viii, ff xiii (I probably forget some)

[Xenofan 29A]

Originally Posted by Phonograph

which ff osv/ost have official english? ff iii, ff iv (?), ff vi, ff viii, ff xiii (I probably forget some)

You only forgot XI and XIV (and who doesn't?). That's all of the others.

[Hellacia]

Originally Posted by Dag

The current tracklist reflects the official English names as written in the album, apparently: http://vgmdb.net/db/covers.php?do=view&cover=16144

You could fix the DS OST tracklist based on what you wrote and maybe add an alternate version here.

Ah, so that's where these names come from. Okay, thanks, I can probably still fix the DS tracklist up then, like you said.

[Hellacia]

While being crazy and checking every Japanese character in our tracklist against the one in the PSCN reprint, I came across an extra character in track 18, れ. I'm going to omit it from our tracklist... though what I really wish is that we had scans of this print's liner notes, disc, obi, etc. This error could be a case where they made a mistake on the original, and then fixed it in the later prints. Though I don't think this is the case, I don't really know. If someone can do scans for this print from their copy, that would be awesome, even if just for posterity.

Also, it's interesting that we don't have a more literal translation for the Japanese. Track 17 is titled Chocobo! Seriously? From チョコボのテーマ? And track 29 is Let's Play the Piano Again! from ピアノのおけいこ２. Both have exclamation points where there are none, and apparently "again" is a translation for the number 2 now

EDIT: In track 20, there is a ザ which should be a サ, without the dakuten.

[Secret Squirrel]

A lot of our old tracklists came from the massive JGML database, and there were a number of errors in there that have been propagated to here.

[Hellacia]

Yeah, and this is an old one, which is why I figure it's pretty safe to just go ahead and make the changes. Of course the obsessive part of me wants to know for sure

[dancey]

Originally Posted by Hellacia

... If someone can do scans for this print from their copy, that would be awesome, even if just for posterity...

¬_¬

[Hellacia]

That folder is disc only. I have none of the packaging. Other folders include things I sold, things I can't even find anymore... you shouldn't assume so easily about somebody's collection especially when the folders are named things like #, honestly.

EDIT: Not even especially when they're named #, actually; especially when the guy three people up from me in your screenshot has his listed under "MP3 Albums". Jesus Christ Dancey, it's not rocket fuckin science that people keep downloads here on VGMdb. Are you oblivious to that? For all you know I'm lying and the # folder is actually lossless with LOG + CUE or whatever, but who gives a shit? Why do you point me out? Just to start shit? Seriously, whatever I said to you in another thread, get over it.

EDIT2: It also doesn't help your case that I came in here after I spent 20 minutes comparing Japanese characters with my own naked eye, found two mistakes in a tracklist that nobody cares about just because I care to improve VGMdb, and then posted about help with further verifying these inaccuracies by getting scans... and what have you done, post a smart-ass little screenshot? Why don't you take the time you're trolling me with and actually contribute to the database like I have? Jeez, even when I rag on you, it's a discussion about how to improve or handle something with the database, not about stupid shit like a folder in your collection. Yeah, I know I'm being trolled, but fuck it, I'm raging.

[dancey]

I'm simply pointing out the irony in you asking for scans when you "Own" it, per your collection. I see you're still as volatile and angry as ever!

[Xenofan 29A]

Originally Posted by Hellacia

Also, it's interesting that we don't have a more literal translation for the Japanese. Track 17 is titled Chocobo! Seriously? From チョコボのテーマ? And track 29 is Let's Play the Piano Again! from ピアノのおけいこ２. Both have exclamation points where there are none, and apparently "again" is a translation for the number 2 now

EDIT: In track 20, there is a ザ which should be a サ, without the dakuten.

Speaking as someone who owns the reprint (including packaging), the translation comes directly from the booklet. That's why it, like the Final Fantasy IV and VI tracklists, is not literal.

[Hellacia]

There's no irony in it because you have no idea what condition I "own" this in because my collection gives no such information, nor does it need to per any rules of the site, including the most recent announcement about file trading.

Originally Posted by Secret Squirrel

If you have digital copies of albums in your collection, please set them to private, or use folder titles that aren't a glaring advertisement for file trading.

Originally Posted by Secret Squirrel

While I've always supported the use of the Collection feature for purposes beyond simply cataloging albums you physically own, we must remember that our collections are only two clicks away from the album pages.

And of course I'm still as volatile and angry as ever, you're still posting shit that's as stupid as ever. Seriously, would you find it ironic that Dark Nation can't do scans? No? Then why would you find it ironic enough that I can't do scans that you need to post a picture that contributes nothing to the discussion?

Originally Posted by Xenofan 29A

Speaking as someone who owns the reprint (including packaging), the translation comes directly from the booklet. That's why it, like the Final Fantasy IV and VI tracklists, is not literal.

Oh I know, I was just remarking on how with a lot of these soundtracks that have a Japanese and an English tracklist in the liner notes, we both transcribe their English version and translate the Japanese to create our own in a second tracklist for the entry. We don't have a Translated English tracklist for here, though. But yeah, I'm not suggesting that we change the current English tracklist, actually I already made the mistake of suggesting changes for it in this thread until Dag pointed out a scan of the reprint to me

[razakin]

Originally Posted by Hellacia

Why don't you take the time you're trolling me with and actually contribute to the database like I have?

Dude, really, chill. And if you feel like dancey is trolling, don't let it get to you. And just be frank (if asked, otherwise no need) about what those symbols mean, especially when few people do know their meaning.

And you should know that I rarely do take sides, but now you're barking bit on a wrong way, especially if we check the submission statics on both profiles. dancey seems to beat you (and me with ease).

Anyways, I'm gonna try to bug v1le to get some scans for this album tomorrow.

Also, to steer the discussion to positive moods; I really do dig this album, and I should get myself a copy of this someday, alongside the DS remake ost. Easily the best of Uematsu's NES albums.

[Phonograph]

I wonder if among people having albums (the real thing, not simply mp3 etc)
how many of them can make scans of those

my opinion (even if nobody asked) is the album collection should be only for real albums
as for the rest, it could be "private" (hidden)
like that, it could be a way to ask those people to scan some pages for info (not necessarily a whole booklet that could have hundred pages and honestly who cares pages of booklet with artwork)

[dancey]

Originally Posted by Phonograph

... like that, it could be a way to ask those people to scan some pages for info...

That's what I did, I was like "I wonder if I know anyone who could scan this... *clicks link* ... lol Hellacia :shiftyeyes: ...". We'll see if v1le can scan or snap a picture of it.

[Hellacia]

Sorry Razakin. There are just some days I can say whatever to trolling (like the good ol' "Expensive VGM" thread), and then there are days where I just have to rage about it. Dancey's post was just really stupid because on top of everything else I mentioned about it, he didn't take into account that if I did REALLY own the album... why the fuck would I need scans? I OWN THE ALBUM. I can pull out off the shelf and look at it in that case. And, since you wanted to bring up looking at people's submission records, why don't we look at mine then look at Dancey's and see who has the most scans submitted. Hmmmm.... we're about tied. And my scans are done personally by me, as I've said many times. If I could, I would have already uploaded scans, in addition to not needing them to verify anything. His post was stupid on so many levels, Razakin, and I don't feel bad at all for blowing up at him. I'm done now though, I've raged enough about that stupid troll.

[Phonograph]

Originally Posted by Hellacia

... if I did REALLY own the album... why the fuck would I need scans? I OWN THE ALBUM...

it's amazing that you said that, because very long ago (maybe 5+ years) I asked someone if he could scan some of his albums and he answered something like that
if I find it amazing, it's because it was dancey

[Hellacia]

Oh, no, I get that. I just mean, if I owned the album and COULD scan it, why would *I* request scans here? I could just look at it.

[LiquidAcid]

Muahaha, epic discussionz here again. 1:0 for dancey

[Xenofan 29A]

Originally Posted by Hellacia

Oh I know, I was just remarking on how with a lot of these soundtracks that have a Japanese and an English tracklist in the liner notes, we both transcribe their English version and translate the Japanese to create our own in a second tracklist for the entry. We don't have a Translated English tracklist for here, though. But yeah, I'm not suggesting that we change the current English tracklist, actually I already made the mistake of suggesting changes for it in this thread until Dag pointed out a scan of the reprint to me

Oh yeah, I should have looked up above. I even responded back then...

Anyway, we do have a literal translation available for the DS remake soundtrack, which is nearly identical.

http://vgmdb.net/album/608

[Hellacia]

Oh cool, thanks. I was wondering about the full title of the Invincible and Salonia tracks while still being too lazy to look them up myself, so that's interesting.

Originally Posted by LiquidAcid

Muahaha, epic discussionz here again. 1:0 for dancey

I'll totally admit to this, though I had fun raging nonetheless You're leaving out the discussion in Ganbare Goemon though, where I totally smashed his stupid "BOOKLET IS CANON" shit and all of his totally illogical reasonings and comparisons AND trolled him at the same time, so the score is really more like 1:1 (it also explains why he's so butthurt and came in this thread to even the score).

[dancey]

Originally Posted by Hellacia

Oh cool, thanks. I was wondering about the full title of the Invincible and Salonia tracks while still being too lazy to look them up myself, so that's interesting.



I'll totally admit to this, though I had fun raging nonetheless You're leaving out the discussion in Ganbare Goemon though, where I totally smashed his stupid "BOOKLET IS CANON" shit and all of his totally illogical reasonings and comparisons AND trolled him at the same time, so the score is really more like 1:1 (it also explains why he's so butthurt and came in this thread to even the score).

It's okay to still be wrong.

[LiquidAcid]

Originally Posted by dancey

It's okay to still be wrong.

This. 2:0 for dancey *G*

[v1le]

Some scans added. These I think are far from perfect since the whole thing is like a booklet in a booklet and I'm very greedy person when I do edit these scans with crop. Better than nothing I guess.

[Garnobium]

Considering that this album was put out years before the term "Gysahl Greens" appeared in a US Final Fantasy game, I think it would be fair to use that as the track title, since "vegies of geasal" was probably not meant as an official english translation so much as "look at how fancy we are, putting English text in our album notes for a game whose title is English." For personal use, I mean; I understand that anything in print on the original album is the law here, no matter how weird it is. So I was mildly surprised to that DS version, which, as has been mentioned, contains the item "Gysahl Greens," has its own album http://vgmdb.net/album/608 calling the track called "Gishal's Veggies," apparently without bothering to check with the English translation that I would have to assume was done or well in progress by the point that the album was put out. Hyne, Dorga and whatever else also do not match the game text.