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I've updated info, partially with help from these websites: http://maru-chang.com/games/music.php/goemon_neo-momo/
http://www.music.ne.jp/~konami/cd/1997tm.html and the useful booklet scans. However, I dunno what to do about the composers. Apparently, these are the most likely composers of this game: 冨田朋也 (Tomoya Tomita)、荒木茂 (Shigeru Araki)、柏崎歩 (?)、加藤祐介 (Yusuke Kato)、三木彩子 (Saiko Miki) [all the previous ones make comments on Booklet 4] and probably 上原和彦 (Kazuhiko Uehara). Sources: http://bsm.hp.infoseek.co.jp/data-konami2a.html#goemon I don't know who is Yusumasa Kitagawa and I doubt very much of his participation in this soundtrack. 柏崎歩 is very likely Wataru Kashiwazaki (http://www.gmronline.com/info.asp?CatNumber=KICA-7943). For confirm composer's involvement, I'd greatly appreciate some website/video with info about the credits of this game. |
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I got done playing this game again recently, and the composers credited for the BGM are the same as those currently listed in the "Composed by" field here - Shigeru Araki, Kato Yusuke, Saiko Miki, and Yusumasa Kitagawa. Tomita and Uehara were Sound Director and Producer respectively, which is also what this site currently says. It all looks correct to me. If you'd like me to get some screengrabs of the credits, I can do that.
What I'd personally be most interested in is learning who out of the four of them composed what on the OST, but that's probably not going to happen considering it's Konami. EDIT: I've uploaded seven screenshots here.
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柏崎歩 is definetely Ayumu Kashizaki (Sound Effects) (!) A last remark: This artist http://vgmdb.net/artist/1553 is a duplicate of this one http://vgmdb.net/artist/1548 |
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Thanks for pointing that out. I combined the two artists and deleted the less detailed one (1553).
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I think a better translation of the game's subtitle would be "Dance of the Neo-Momoyama Shogunate," rather than "New Dance of the Momoyama Shogunate." I'm fairly certain that the "neo" part of the title is part of the organization's name (ネオ桃山幕府), rather than a modifier for the whole clause. The Japanese Wikipedia article for the game refers to ネオ桃山幕府 a lot.
Although actually, in the game's English localization, they translate it ALL THE WAY and call the villains the "Peach Mountain Shoguns," so maybe "Dance of the Neo-Peach Mountain Shogunate" would be better? Completely unrelated: I love how a lot of Konami's albums include photos of the sound staffs, but I wish they were labeled with who's who. |
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Wow, track 42 (0:23, 1:03 for example) reminds me about the Star Light Zone BGM on Sonic the Hedgehog a tiny bit!
Last edited by Nisto; May 4, 2011 at 04:57 PM. |
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How up-to-date are these track name translations? Does this soundtrack have one of those stone-ages translations? I ask because track 6 is titled 待ってな!今行くぜい! and yet the English translation has no exclamation mark in it. This is something that seems to be common in old translations. Also, Dark De Bad Na Easy Yo makes no sense whatsoever, but I've tried to translate it myself and have basically come up with the same thing - maybe it's just the quirkiness of Ganbare Goemon.
Also, looking again at the Japanese vs. the English tracklists, the English tracklist has all this game area information in the titles, while none of that is present in the Japanese one. It's either one or the other. |
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Looking at the scans, it looks like the Japanese tracklist is actually incomplete.
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that's because it's not a translation, it's just romaji left untranslated
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Yeah, but when I tried to translate the romaji, it ended up making even less sense, if you can believe that. Of course, I don't know shit, so maybe someone can make some sense out of it.
Yeah, the scans have that information, but what I was really getting at was whether or not it belongs in the tracklist. I'm one of those people that says it doesn't. Others will disagree. It's an age-old dispute, it seems. |
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Absolutely belongs there.
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@Hellacia: it's simply "Dark, Bad, (comma or and) Easy" (it's just an enumeration)
Last edited by Phonograph; Feb 11, 2012 at 06:28 PM. |
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Okay, thanks Phonograph, that's interesting. You should change the current title.
Oh, so you're one of those IMO it totally doesn't belong there, it's information, not a name. P.S. Quote:
Last edited by Hellacia; Feb 11, 2012 at 10:12 PM. |
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It's part of the track title. If you go by that methodology, then things like "Arrange Version", "TV-Edit", "Karaoke" etc don't belong in the title because they're just information, not a name. If it's on the same line as the track title, it belongs as the track title. You can't arbitrarily say it doesn't belong as part of the track title when it very clearly is. If the track fell under some sort of informational header (like "Original Version" then tracks 1 ~ 6 followed by "Super Arrange Version" for tracks 7 ~ 12), then that can be excluded because they're not directly part of the track title and are just informational. Or if there is some sort of font stylization that differentiates the track title from the informational stage name, there might be an argument for that.
If you apply your same methodology to album titles, then we shouldn't include "single / artist" for all the singles like "blah blah / ayumi hamasaki". But we 100% do. |
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You're absolutely correct, we shouldn't. Just because we 100% do something at this point in time doesn't mean we're doing it correctly, why do you think we still have guideline discussions? Thank you for making the suggestion to change this as well. |
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It doesn't matter what it describes, whether it's the song or a location or the temperature when the song was composed in Nagasaki. If it's written as part of the track title, it's part of the track title. You can't just arbitrarily remove part of a track title because you think it doesn't belong.
What happens when you have track titles that are just "STAGE 2 BOSS"? Does that get removed so you have no track title at all? No. There is far too much ambiguity in all of the standards here. I'm fine if people don't think that (area name) belongs in the track titles. I'm fine if people want to hunt down specific composer contributions to soundtracks with composer groups or cds with no specific breakdown. I'm fine if people want to modify small formatting changes like ~blah~ to (blah). I'm fine if people want to correct typos like "Arrenge" to "Arrange". But ultimately all those things are personal preference. You cannot argue with the contents of the physical media for which we're creating a database entry. The physical medium is canon. What is says is canon. It doesn't matter if it's ambiguous, incomplete, wrong or unnecessary. Those are the things that belong in the database, and if people want to include information that is not on the physical medium, or change information on the physical medium, then they can do that but it's by personal preference. This is why I proposed a canon and non-canon field for artists, because removing something like "Falcom Sound Team jdk" and replacing it with the actual composers is wrong when compared to the album. It's not wrong, because it's more accurate than the generic "Falcom Sound Team jdk", but it's ultimately wrong when compared to the source. I don't really make standards decisions but no standard will ever be enforceable or accurate if we're accounting for these variations in peoples' personal preferences for things like that. The only 100% true standard that can be enforced and equally applied to all entries is to say that the actual media for which we create an entry is canon, and all other sources are non-canon. |
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if a jap track has a certain number of info, its english version must respect it (without omitting anything)
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Dancey, I don't mean any offense when I say this (really, not trying to flame you), but your entire argument is bullshit.
http://vgmdb.net/db/covers.php?do=view&cover=44958 The first track on that CD is literally perfect dark zero™ - title 0:49 right? Because it has a ™ symbol AND 0:49 written as part of the track title - like you said in the very beginning of your post, right? Quote:
Your "naming canon" is as arbitrary as anyone else's dude. However I'm totally ready to start renaming that tracklist right now if that's what we agree on. Come on, let's do it. Let's add EVERYTHING to a track title because the booklet wrote it that way and THAT'S CANON. I'm game. Last edited by Hellacia; Feb 12, 2012 at 10:28 AM. |
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Track times never belong in a track title and if that's not obvious as to why it doesn't belong then there's no hope for reasoning with you. The TM, however, does.
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Regardless of whether my naming canon is arbirtrary or not, it's less so than yours and yours is without a doubt the minority. |
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No Dancey, I'm dead fuckin serious. Let's rename it right now. Because according to your naming canon we need to. If you're willing to admit that there's a reason to leave things off of a track title line because it's obviously not part of the track title, then your "if it's written as part of the track title, it's part of the track title" argument already doesn't hold water because you've admitted that there are special cases where that's not always true. If there are special cases where that's not always true, then it's just a matter of defining what's "written as part of the track title". And who's going to give us that definition - you? We've now established that everything on a track title line doesn't belong in the track title. Therefore you have no longer have any real argument as to why the game information belongs in the track titles because your argument for it was "because it's on a track title line." Your entire argument falls apart and not only becomes arbitrary, but contradictory as well.
By the way, if your argument is that a track time doesn't belong in a title because its obviously a time, then why does ™ belong? It's obviously a legal symbol. It's used for legal purposes. Do you honestly think everything that's ever been written with a ™ symbol includes the ™ symbol in its real name? Final Fantasy™? Seriously? Last edited by Hellacia; Feb 12, 2012 at 10:57 AM. |
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where is the hidden camera?
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beware, the waffen will kommen zu close that thread
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In this case, the japanese tracklist was incomplete at least when looking the booklet. I mean, things like these should be done by case by case. But then, that is my way of tagging.
Also, this discussion should probably move to it's own thread.
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Yeah, we actually don't have a submission guideline thread for track titles, only album titles. We should get one, and this should definitely be moved.
Also, I may be in the minority, but I don't know that yet, since we've never had a discussion about it. Also, though I obviously advocate not including game information in track titles, I'll be happy to include them if its a majority-agreed-upon thing and there's a good reason to do it (not "if it's written as part of the track title, it's part of the track title"). |
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Track 42 is called "We Did It, Bravo, Not a Single Cloud on Japan's Sky (Staff Roll / Arrange Version)", even though it sounds like the original staff roll (YouTube link). Is this track really an arrangement?
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added a shot of the disc ring, if it can be useful to avoid pirates
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