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Is Ogeretsu Kun's real name actually 立石孝 (Takashi Tateishi), as was edited by spagnutty? A few Japanese pages seem to indicate this, most notably the Wikipedia entry for MM2. GMCL has separate entries for them, which doesn't necessarily indicate anything. Ogeretsu Kun did as far as I know only Capcom games, and Tateishi's credits are for Konami and Square, mostly.
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Well, there's a Capcom connection with Side Arms: Hyper Dyne (1989). He worked on the TurboGrafx-16 version apparently developed by Capcom. That was around the same time he was supposed to work on Mega Man 2 (1988) and Willow (1989). So I'm willing to bet it's him but he left Capcom after a year or two.
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I think he is pretty interesting to investigate. Some pages say he's actually the same person as Takeshi Sasugano.
One thing for certain is mobygame mixes this Takeshi Tateishi (立石武史) with another Takeshi Tateishi (立石孝). |
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Mobygames is pretty useless for Japanese names as they don't consider the Kanji writing at all. Different unrelated Japanese persons mixed into one are very common there.
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I just noticed they didn't even share the same romanized name. The person concerned is Takashi, not Takeshi. I can't believe how stupid I was
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It's been a long time since I googled around for that, and then made that edit. I don't remember exactly anymore, but I'm pretty sure the MM2 wiki page was my source for that info, with maybe a couple other sites as well.
If that information is WRONG, I would love to know. |
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TENCHOuchi's GE-ON-DAN has been out for one day and I already love it. Thanks for confirming that Tateishi is both Ogeretsu Kun and Takashi Sasugano!
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Recent edits have pretty much removed all these albums from Ogeretsu Kun and credited them to his real name Takashi Tateishi. I haven't changed the links yet, and want to discuss this here.
Should this alias entry be deleted in favor of the original name? Generally we've been using whichever name is actually credited, whether it be in the liner notes or the game staff-roll. However, I've noticed some disagreement with this policy, so I wanted to discuss it. |
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-The artist's page (under Aliases) (ex. James Banana) -The artist's page (under Albums) [ex. Takashi Tateishi (as Ogeretsu Kun)] -The notes section on each album page [ex. Track 4 by Ogeretsu Kun (Takashi Tateishi) or Ogeretsu Kun (Takashi Tateishi) (4)] -The artist/album forums (for those who are truly stubborn and want facts first) *I even noticed just yesterday that searching for an alias that does not have its own page (i.e. James Banana) still brings up the true composer's name and page (Kinuyo Yamashita) so long as the alias is listed there. By that logic, shouldn't Minakuchi Engineering Staff be found under Kinuyo Yamashita as well? And Ogeretsu Kun under Takashi Tateishi and Akemi Kimura under Naoto Tanaka, etc.? Furthermore, you claim that the name Ogeretsu Kun should be credited because his name was in the game credits. The same was true for everyone else in the Megaman series yet others have credited them with their actual name on every Megaman album here and HAVE NOT been rejected. Just because Takashi took the longest to show on an official Megaman album (i.e. Chiptuned Rockman) does NOT give him special treatment. All you (and the VGMDB staff) have been doing is self-contradicting yourselves by rejecting my founded, logical and otherwise correct edits. Finally, what's wrong with doing a little cleaning up? Don't you want to reduce pages whilst providing complete records for each individual person? Should the real name NOT act like a tree trunk whilst the aliases represent the roots, the contributed to series' its branches, the albums its twigs, and the individual tracks its leaves? If you won't get all the aliases under one person then I will. Just give me your word that you and your cohorts will stop blocking me and I'll get to work immediately. Thank you for bearing with my long rant. Bye. Last edited by kyubihanyou; Feb 7, 2010 at 07:08 AM. |
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I plan to make changes to the artist structure that will make aliases equivalent to variations, anyway. The current structure is flawed; there should ideally be one single artist entry per actual person, and under that various "identities".
By the way, the way things are currently, if an artist entry is linked to a parent entry as an alias, you'll be able to see all the alias credits in the parent entry as well. Parent entries don't show up when you search for alias names simply because we haven't updated the search capability for that yet. It's a consequence of how the database has evolved, so until the new changes are finalized things may not work as you'd expect. |
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History has been made this day. (Quite ironic that it came from a guy with a tree as his icon) Last edited by kyubihanyou; Feb 7, 2010 at 07:23 AM. |
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I know it may be no longer necessary to bring this issue to the discussion if a future change is coming, but when an artist has credit for an album under both real name and alias (which sometimes happens with compilation albums or some artists who use different names depending on roles, such as Keita Haga), it's shown up in the artist page as if only his/her alias were credited for that album. I guess a minimal change from (as [alias]) to (also as [alias]) will do, though. |
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Like seanne and Isdapi has done lately, I prefer that composers are credited under the alias (or real names) of game credits. The question to be determined is what to do with doujin albums. I noticed that in most cases the real names are used. In the case of Takashi Tateishi / Ogeretsu Kun, his real name was confirmed many years after Yoshihiro Sakaguchi and Manami Matsumae. In my opinion, if the two are credited with the real names, Takashi Tateishi also should be, unless the other two appear as Yuukichan’s Papa and Manami Ietel. Quote:
Another example: Shiori Fujisaki is the name of the character voiced by Mami Kingetsu in Tokimeki Memorial series. On some albums she acts as if the character in fact, like this album. How I will know when she does the voice of the character if she appears in all albums with her real name instead of Shiori Fujisaki? Quote:
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If one artist is credit with various alias in just only one album, I think he must be credits with all names, not only one alias or the real name. For example, what to do with Hiroshi Takeyasu? |
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The information on this site has been built up by the community over many years. When there are major decisions, both factual and structural, the community gets an opportunity to give input. The proper action is to propose that some of these aliases be deleted, and the links redirected to the parent artist. See Revoc's post above for some reasons that we don't want to abandon alias pages globally, but we can do it selectively. Also, if I don't reverse the majority of the ~100 edits you committed today, the alias information will be lost from the discography entirely when those are linked. So please, let's just try to find the best solution first before you go off and do things. You also need to understand that no one is above having their work corrected or having their edits rejected. It happens to me, and it will happen to you. So don't get bent out of shape next time that it does. |
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I personally prefer we are ultimately able to classify aliases (variation, alias, birth name or unit) since we often treat differently romanized names, groups, or maiden names as an alias, but perhaps it's just me.
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It's okay. We understand that you were just trying to help, and we're glad that you are here.
Perhaps one thing we could do is change the artist links (the ones on the album page) so that they say "Ogeretsu Kun's (alias of Takashi Tateishi)" instead of "Ogeretsu Kun". I'm not 100% sure this is the solution we want though, since some aliases are just name variations. However, we could just do this for the aliases that have their own page. Another issue is that it may clutter up some already full fields. And yeah, there are some inconsistencies in how the other aliased artists are credited. This is mostly a bi-product of how the information evolved here, so we should work on fixing these. Hey Cedille, I looked at the code briefly, and I should be able to fix that problem (i.e. separate alias in parentheses per role instead of at the end of the line) when I get home tonight. |
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In the case of Minakuchi Engineering Staff, that was because the page had been created before we knew it was the way the Kinuyo Yamashita was credited in Mega Man X3. Quote:
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I'm thinking we should probably split this thread to separate the alias discussion, but I'll go ahead and give my input:
I feel we should continue crediting aliases and assigning the aliases to artists as we have already done. I agree that variations should only be used for abbreviations or minor spelling variations where there seem to be no distinction from the real artist name. I agree with Blah that the discography and info of all aliases of an artist should be unified under a single artist page. I also have some other suggestions: - Credited artist checkbox. A checkbox to denote whether or not an artist is officially credited on the album. Uncredited artists can show up in a different color (similar to how the "featured" artists selection works). - Option to display either album-credited aliases or main artist name (similar to how we have the option for displaying original/romanized/English album titles). - Option to credit individuals to an album on behalf of a unit which is the only thing to be officially credited (e.g. Yoko Shimomura and Isao Abe on Street Fighter II albums as opposed to simply Alph Lyra). This should be able to be combined with the "credited artist checkbox". This would also be useful for many albums which credit an artist along with the company/group name. Again, we can have options to control how it is displayed.
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Does anyone know if he was the composer of Little Samson ?
Since he also worked on Cocoron and both games were developed by the same team ... from the staff credits: Music 流石一秀 (Sasugano Kazuhide) One of his alias is Takashi Sasugano. Could this be the same person? |
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