Sonic Rumble Party (#18616)

[ruby]

we better get a list of composers eventually. Kenichi Tokoi, Mitsuharu Fukuyama, and Rintaro Soma are definitely involved. Maybe Hidekuni Horita too.

[Enja Hamman]

I have faith this game will have credits in the full game.

[Enja Hamman]

I've fallen behind on the SEGA SOUND STREET show, but I was watching the Wonderland Wars episode today, and in his introduction, Satoshi Oike says he's working on Sonic Rumble.


https://youtu.be/KOxv7iAk5wo?si=f3YPmMdycWDeM6T5

We could maybe start listing the composers in the notes and links already just so people know more easily ahead of release. I don't remember seeing the Soma and Fukuyama confirmations, but I remember Tokoi confirmed his involvement in a SEGA SOUND STREET about the SEGA RALLY Album.

[Lily]

I don't believe Soma and Fukuyama are actually confirmed, just very obvious stylistic similiarities in some of the tracks in the game.

I think Kenji Mizuno may also be involved? His sole Bluesky post is him standing next to a bit of promotion for the game lol https://bsky.app/profile/mizunokenji.../3l6qlh6kvoh2g

[ruby]

Originally Posted by SGoW

I don't believe Soma and Fukuyama are actually confirmed, just very obvious stylistic similiarities in some of the tracks in the game.

yeah, in addition to Tokoi, their styles are very obvious in some tracks.

Glad to hear we at least have an actual confirmation with Oike, now let's hope we get a soundtrack release not too late after the full game launch...

[ruby]

Originally Posted by Enja Hamman

but I remember Tokoi confirmed his involvement in a SEGA SOUND STREET about the SEGA RALLY Album.

nvm i just read this, i didn't know he actually confirmed it!

[ruby]

as it stands, with no definitive list of involved composers, these are my guesses for who did what:

Menu (and some menu derivatives?) - Satoshi Oike (not super familiar with his stuff)
Green Hill - Kenichi Tokoi
Green Hill: Final Round - Hideaki Kobayashi (maybe??)
Chemical Plant - no clue, could be Tokoi maybe?
Chemical Plant: Final Round - ???
Sky Sanctuary - Hideaki Kobayashi (appears to share some production with Zero-G from PSO2) or Mitsuharu Fukuyama (appears to share stuff with "Popfine")
Sky Sanctuary: Final Round - Hideaki Kobayashi or Mitsuharu Fukuyama
Seaside Hill - Kenichi Tokoi (literally Neon Arena from Super Monkey Ball Banana Rumble)
Seaside Hill: Final Round - Kenichi Tokoi
Starlight Carnival - Mitsuharu Fukuyama (has some synths and risers/FXs Fukuyama uses a lot)
Starlight Carnival: Final Round - ??? remix of Fukuyama's arrangement by someone else?
Frozen Factory - Satoshi Oike (sounds like like his 404 Game Reset stuff maybe?)
Frozen Factory: Final Round - Satoshi Oike or maybe remixed by Rintaro Soma?
Silent Forest - Rintaro Soma (uses a lot of the same chops as Soma's songs in Sonic Frontiers)
Silent Forest: Final Round - Rintaro Soma
Lava Mountain - Kenichi Tokoi (reuses a lot of Tomoya Ohtani's original programming, but has the piano Tokoi uses for everything nowadays)
Lava Mountain: Final Round - Kenichi Tokoi (like the normal version except now also with modern Tokoi's signature drums and bass)
Desert Ruins - Kenichi Tokoi (it's just Rival Rush - vs. Metal Sonic and Desert Replay -2024- with an arid touch)
Desert Ruins: Final Round - Kenichi Tokoi
Pinball Carnival - Satoshi Oike (again, mostly just a blind guess but it does kinda have the same style as Oike's Pinball Carnival Act "Fruits" from Sonic Superstars)
Pinball Carnival: Final Round - Satoshi Oike
Co-Op Battle / Elite Co-Op Battle - no clue
Stage Challenge - I'd say Hidekuni Horita but since there is no other song in the game that sounds like his work I doubt he's involved
Miscellaneous jingles - ???

furthermore, since V1.0.0, there have been "Bgm_Battle_Collabo" songs in the files that go unused. there is "Fancycute", "Darkcool", and "Popfine", as well as final round variations for each.
I have no real guesses for these aside from "Popfine" sounding a lot like Mitsuharu Fukuyama's Neon Nights from PSO2.

Kenichi Tokoi and Satoshi Oike have confirmed their involvement. in addition to them, I believe Mitsuharu Fukuyama and Rintaro Soma are definitely also involved.

[Enja Hamman]

As someone who's been a fan of Oike since I heard him on CHAIN CHRONICLE at least 5 years ago... yeah it's hard with how little of his work we actually know of. He's been around for 10 years and we have, at most, 17 song credits, including the Wonderskill Jingle compilation tracks. But I think you're onto something with the menu themes.

I could see Chemical Plant being Satoshi Oike's. The amount of space the synths occupy remind me of Vengeance (Fatal Fury Re;mix). Might even be the same stand-in for a cymbal. It definitely lasts for a bit, which the cymbals on the menu themes do too. In terms of the overall song's drive they could be compared with his two Wonderland Wars songs.

I don't really see Frozen Factory being his, but maybe. Doesn't it sound a bit like Ryo Fukuda? Chiptune countermelodies and machine-breaking-down-like sounds do crop up in his work, even his songs in Sonic Superstars and Super Monkey Ball Banana Rumble feel a bit wintery without actual being about winter.

Pinball Carnival I could definitely see, it's what I thought of first when I first heard Oike was involved. It's a very busy and fresh sound, so I guess it would make sense for one of the guys with the least publicly clear style.

I'd imagine the Co-Op Battle person also made "Quest of MJ" for SEGA NET MAHJONG MJ Arcade Ver.2.00 (why can't I that song on 数学不敗's channel? Do I have the only copy?). That version of the game had a lot of the same composers as Virtua Fighter 5 Ultimate Showdown, but likely not the exact same, the song "now on stage" has always sounded like a Fukuyama song. I feel like it would be one of the composers that made 8bit arrangements for BORDER BREAK, Fumio Itoh, Yasuyuki Nagata and Junpei Mishima. Mishima's sounds the closest to Quest of MJ to me, mostly because the other 2 did theirs in mono when didn't quite. Co-Op Battle doesn't really sound like Mishima a ton, but I don't he's composed for a game with this aesthetic before.

[ruby]

Originally Posted by Enja Hamman

I could see Chemical Plant being Satoshi Oike's. The amount of space the synths occupy remind me of Vengeance (Fatal Fury Re;mix). Might even be the same stand-in for a cymbal. It definitely lasts for a bit, which the cymbals on the menu themes do too. In terms of the overall song's drive they could be compared with his two Wonderland Wars songs.

something I forgot to mention is that the drums in Chemical Plant remind me a lot of Getting Muddy -2024- (Takenobu Mitsuyoshi), though that song might be using some in-house drum library based on Akht.'s drumming? It's not the first song that sounds like Akht. drumming without him being credited, Chaos from Idola Phantasy Star Saga (Kenichi Tokoi comes to mind). sadly, even assuming the drums in Chemical Plant are this Akht. library, that doesn't help with narrowing down who did that song all that much.

Originally Posted by Enja Hamman

I don't really see Frozen Factory being his, but maybe. Doesn't it sound a bit like Ryo Fukuda? Chiptune countermelodies and machine-breaking-down-like sounds do crop up in his work, even his songs in Sonic Superstars and Super Monkey Ball Banana Rumble feel a bit wintery without actual being about winter.

I can see that, yeah. I don't really have any exposure to Fukuda outside of Superstars, Banana Rumble, and Feel the Magic 20th Anniversary.

there's also the invincibility jingle, which definitely has a similar style to Emerald Power: Extra from Sonic Superstars (Tae Fujimoto), which I do think is worth mentioning. however, the actual production is different enough to where I can't make a confident guess. it's possible she did the invincibility jingle and maybe also the music that plays during the matchmaking.

all in all, we better have some staff credits in the full release (I doubt it), and a soundtrack release not that long after the game is released (at the very least just let Fuga handle it if you don't want to do it yourself SEGA/WM)...

[Enja Hamman]

Updated to account for the global launch being delayed. Ver. 1.2 is still coming but won't be a full launch.

[Lily]

the latest update also made all of the music much louder, so I guess they hired a mastering engineer for the ost in preperation for the launch?

[ruby]

speaking of, City Escape shares a lot of sounds with a song from Sonic at the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020 which I presume to be by Kenichi Tokoi, I suspect he might have done City Escape in Rumble but I'm not 100% certain. there also appear to be Jun Senoue guitars in the lead, covered up by the brass section. I also don't know what's funnier: City Escape using a second of the Blue Blur RMX's drums for a fill, or the final round version just using the drums throughout.

Sweet Mountain doesn't sound like Tokoi (nor Jun on guitar probably?), I have no clue who could have done that one

[ruby]

Originally Posted by PhantomRuby

furthermore, since V1.0.0, there have been "Bgm_Battle_Collabo" songs in the files that go unused. there is "Fancycute", "Darkcool", and "Popfine", as well as final round variations for each.

as of today, "Darkcool" is used for the Sonic 3 crossover event. the last update also added another unused Collabo track, we'll see when they decide to use any of the others.

[ruby]

Fancycute
Darkcool - used for Sonic 3 event
Popfine
Fantasyadventure - newly added to files in 1.2.0

[Lily]

Originally Posted by Enja Hamman

I'd imagine the Co-Op Battle person also made "Quest of MJ" for SEGA NET MAHJONG MJ Arcade Ver.2.00 (why can't I that song on 数学不敗's channel? Do I have the only copy?). That version of the game had a lot of the same composers as Virtua Fighter 5 Ultimate Showdown, but likely not the exact same, the song "now on stage" has always sounded like a Fukuyama song. I feel like it would be one of the composers that made 8bit arrangements for BORDER BREAK, Fumio Itoh, Yasuyuki Nagata and Junpei Mishima. Mishima's sounds the closest to Quest of MJ to me, mostly because the other 2 did theirs in mono when didn't quite. Co-Op Battle doesn't really sound like Mishima a ton, but I don't he's composed for a game with this aesthetic before.

the more I listen to this game's music the more I think you might've actually cooked on this one? originally I assumed the rock and jazz oriented stuff was all Fukuyama, but now I actually think some of it was Mishima instead. Based on his work on Border Break and Virtua Fighter I assume he mostly did the guitar based songs (which has signifact overlap with the song that are new compositions). I'm prepared to be like 100% wrong on this though.

[ruby]

allegedly Takenobu Mitsuyoshi confirmed he did one song for the game in yesterday's SEGA SOUND STREET, with "more on the way."

timestamp 1:23:00, someone with some knowledge of Japanese might wanna check what they're actually saying

[ruby]

Originally Posted by ruby

Fancycute
Darkcool - used for Sonic 3 event
Popfine
Fantasyadventure - newly added to files in 1.2.0

Fancycute is now in use for the Smurfs event. they also added another Collabo track (Coolrock) into the files a few months ago, this one not having a final round variant.

I figured I'd also give my most recent thoughts on who did what.

Green Hill - no idea but a friend thinks it could be Satoshi Oike's work, seems plausible
Chemical Plant - Takenobu Mitsuyoshi
Sky Sanctuary - Hideaki Kobayashi
Seaside Hill - Kenichi Tokoi
Starlight Carnival - Mitsuharu Fukuyama
Frozen Factory - no idea
Silent Forest - Rintaro Soma
Lava Mountain - Kenichi Tokoi
Desert Ruins - Kenichi Tokoi
Pinball Carnival - again no idea, but the same friend thinks this one might be Tae Fujimoto, I can believe that
City Escape - Kenichi Tokoi
Sweet Mountain - no idea
Space Colony ARK - Hideaki Kobayashi
Planet Wisp - Hideaki Kobayashi
Co-op Battle - friend suspects Fujimoto again
Biolizard - Hideaki Kobayashi

the only Collabo tracks I have an idea on are Fancycute (Smurfs) and Popfine being Mitsuyoshi and Kobayashi respectively. Popfine gives heavy Neon Nights PSO2 vibes (Fukuyama), but the production sounds a lot like the songs I think are Kobayashi.

[ruby]

oh and I also believe Eizo Koganezaka to be the guitarist on most, if not all, songs in the game to have guitar. the tone sounds a lot like his work on Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds and PSO2NGS

[Jacinta]

Could Fantasyadventure or Popfine be possibly used for the Care Bears event?

[ruby]

Originally Posted by Jacinta

Could Fantasyadventure or Popfine be possibly used for the Care Bears event?

Probably not, the only collab events to actually use a Collabo song in-game were collabs with an actual stage (Sonic 3, Godzilla, Smurfs). most likely they'll only use collabo music for promo material but not in-game.

[ruby]

someone who speaks Japanese should probably verify this but I think they just confirmed Hideaki Kobayashi did the Planet Wisp arrangement in today's SEGA SOUND STREET.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrId-ZV33-k (stream still ongoing, will get timestamp when stream is over)

[bigeyes0123]

timestamp: 46:53


Yes, it's probably Hideaki Kobayashi. While Kobayashi is a fairly common surname in Japan, Mitsuyoshi refers to him as 'Kobayashin' after hearing that name.

This is actually a nickname that PSO fans in Japan gave to Kobayashi as a kind of wordplay.

I'm happy that he composed stage music again after Sonic Advance 3, and I'd wanted to hear him remix music from other Sonic games for a long time. I'm glad that finally happened in Rumble.